By - ElPuas2003
Teofimo's next fight is against his own pride and delusion. If he wins that, he could still achieve much more.
Umm I think he already lost that fight.
Not according to him!
Would like to see Lopez fight Prograis. That's a good fight.
Prograis by absolute beatdown, prograis is a monster and although Teo is decent I believe he was more hype than skill whereas prograis is pure and utter skill and threat
Ag, fuck off with the more hype bullshit. Besides dethroning Loma, which is not easy feat for any boxer alive. He beat real opponents before that, like Richard Commey. The kid is very good and strong and only sad casual fans discredit these guys after one loss.
Prograis isn't and never was a threat. What are you basing this off he's barely been active recently? Like what is really so good about Prograis besides his match with Taylor? Pure & utter skill is just filler to sound good, he's definitely not some unrecognized P4P.
It really interests me how you came to a conclusion he would dominate Teofimo? What are these skills Prograis possess that can grant him a landslide victory?
What you talking about, are you a new fan or something? Prior to the Taylor fight he was borderline top 10 p4p on most lists and besides a very close fight with josh has blown everyone else away
>What are you basing this off he's barely been active recently?
Teo ain't active either 🤷♂️
>Like what is really so good about Prograis
Punching power, speed, head movement, inside game, discipline..
>It really interests me how you came to a conclusion he would dominate Teofimo?
Mainly the same thing said above, but more so the discipline. Also, Teo is still not getting over the Kambosos loss, talking about how he got robbed, how he started the undisputed trend even though he was never undisputed, etc. Boxing is not just about physical talents, it's about the mental fortitude too. This is why Prograis would beat Teo.
> Punching power, speed, head movement, discipline..
I can say the same thing about Teofimo. Please tell me his qualities, how he would perform. Would he drive Teo to the ropes? Control center ring? What is Regis' Sunday Punch that Teo has to watch out for?
> Mainly the same thing said above, but more so the discipline. Also, Teo is still not getting over the Kambosos loss, talking about how he got robbed, how he started the undisputed trend even though he was never undisputed, etc. Boxing is not just about physical talents, it's about the mental fortitude too. This is why Prograis would beat Teo.
I think Teo is going to come back stronger because he should've been at 140 in the first place.
>I can say the same thing about Teofimo
Nooo you can't 😂 when has Teo ever shown head movement as good as Prograis? He's also not as fast.
>Please tell me his qualities, how he would perform
Also one thing I forgot to mention is the inside game. Teo has no inside game, Prograis does. If Teo couldn't handle Kambosos in the pocket, Prograis would do serious damage to him.
>Would he drive Teo to the ropes? Control center ring?
You haven't even seen Prograis fight, have you? Prograis is the bigger man, why wouldn't he drive a smaller man to the ropes? Control center ring? Prograis thrives on that, he's a slick counterpuncher too!
>What is Regis' Sunday Punch that Teo has to watch out for?
Prograis doesn't have **just** one punch, he has several. Scored multiple knockdowns with a left to the body. Has a good straight left and overhand left. Right hook is no slouch either. Uppercuts too. I honestly don't know how you do not know this which only makes me question if you even seen him fight before. If it was just the Taylor fight you seen, that's just one fight homie, and Taylor starches Teo too!
Okay just say you don't think that deep into the matchup. You've yet to respond with an actual gameplan, and how Regis' would counter Teofimo's attributes (which you also have yet to acknowledge).
>Also one thing I forgot to mention is the inside game. Prograis lost the Taylor fight *because* of his inside game. If *Taylor* couldn't handle Caterall in the pocket, who **dropped** him. Teo would do serious damage to Taylor & especially Prograis. Going by your logic.
> Teofimo doesn't have just one punch, he has several. Scored multiple knockdowns with a left to the body. Has a good straight right and overhand right. Right hook is no slouch either. Uppercuts too. I honestly don't know how you do not know this is surface level talk, which only makes me question if you know how to evaluate fighters?
>If Taylor couldn't handle Caterall in the pocket
That fight was hardly in the pocket, what are you talking about? Catterall was spoiling, his best success was the outside, not the pocket. Taylor had his best (albeit limited) success in the pocket, are you mad??
>You've yet to respond with an actual gameplan
Here it goes then, Prograis is quicker with his hands and his feet. Teo's upper body movement is lacking, he'd get countered fairly comfortably and Prograis would score more. Prograis has better defence than Teo. Teo may have a chance at the mid range and outside but he simply needs to fix his defence if he wants to beat Prograis. If the fight gets on the inside, it's a mismatch, Prograis would bang Teo to his body, back him up, make him gunshy. If light punching Kambosos dropped him, Prograis would seriously hurt him. Prograis never been rocked or dropped either, so your triangle theory logic doesn't even help Teo in this potential match up.
And this is all assuming Teo is the same fighter, we don't know if he'll be better with all the delusional shit he's been saying. Remember, boxing is just about as mental as it is physical. You need to tink about that before breaking down fights.
Power, speed, experience and no fundamental flaws. Taylor won their fight based off his physical advantage more than technical ones.
Also never a threat. The guy was consider the top dog of 140 pounds till the Taylor loss. There's a reason why Ramirez, Hooker and Pedraza never called him out.
That being said, it would be a close fight. When Lopez chooses to actually jab and set up his right hand, he's a world beater. I favour Lopez to when based off of his youth.
Now that’s a much more reasonable opinion than the other guy trying to say there’s this enormous gap in levels.
No fundemental flaws? Have you watched him fight before? He keeps his lead hand low at all times, like Broner. He tries to do a shoulder roll defense but he keeps his head too high up so he gets hit flush, like Broner.
He's practically Broner with higher volume. He is exciting but became overrated quickly. He has never beat anyone of note. Not to be rated as high as he gets.
the reason he keeps his lead hand low is because he replaces it with head movement also teo dosen't exactly always keep his hands high either.
No, he doesnt. His head movement is wack. Taylor was hitting him with flush straigh lefts over and over.
Big exaggeration and lets say taylor was hitting him over and over he was the best 140er at the time its not like his whole career he was known for taking a lot of punches.
Well thats the thing. Taylor is by far the best he has fought. And Taylor is good but not great. Prograis is another fighter that looks good but he hasnt quite proved it yet. Can you seriously tell me this guy has been proven?
If being a world champion and giving the best 140er a tough fight at the time is not proven then idk what is.
A lot of fighters keep their lead hand low. Fury, Mayweather, Whittaker, Pacquiao, Sugar Ray Leonard, Sugar Ray Robinson, Hopkins, Calzaghe, Eubank Sr, Hearns? Keeping your hands low isn't a fundamental flaw. It's a stance. Like all stances it has weaknesses and strengths.
> He tries to do a shoulder roll defense but he keeps his head too high up so he gets hit flush, like Broner.
The same can be said about Teofimo Lopez. People have mistimed shoulder rolls before, it happens. Happened to Toney when RJJ dropped him. Happened to Mayweather when Mosley caught him. Happened to Teofimo when Kamboses dropped him.
>He's practically Broner with higher volume
And you ask me if I've ever watch Prograis.
I never said it wasnt ok. It is, if you have the head movement to go with it. I incorporate a little shoulder roll with my style. But if I drop my lead hand down low I know my head movement better be sharp. Prograis actually leaves his head sticking up as he tries his roll. Thats whats wrong.
You may not believe it, but if they fight Prograis absolutely wipes the floor with Teo
Prograis keeps his lead hand at his waist and his shoulder roll leaves half of his head exposed. With him being a southpaw, I can see him eating alot of straight right hands from Lopez. And Lopez is not a guy you want to take straight rights from. Look at what he did to Loma. It made a fighter with over 300 fights "forget" to throw punches.
Im thinking Teofimo KO.
Yeah he does keep his lead hand low but makes up for it with good overall upper body movement and counter punching ability. Let’s be serious, Teo has been punched once and look how that went, Regis is far too strong and powerful for him and as soon as it lands he would be out. I’m Kambosos and Loma, when he started throwing, can stop any momentum Teo try’s to build imagine a guy that punches harder than both them put together doing the same.
Teofimo was drained at 135 man. The main thing that affects is stamina and your ability to take a punch. Huge guys like Haney and Teofimo will benefit from going up in weight. You realize in the Kambosos fight he was critically weight drained.
He wasn’t ‘critically’ weight drained, he struggled but made weight completely different from ‘critically’.
Weight drain wasn’t the issue with the fight the fight was he probably had a shite camp as the corner work was god awful so doubt the camp was much better. They thought it was a blow over fight and got out worked by a guy who grafted his arse off and they didn’t have a plan b. We can look at weight but there’s nothing to say this fight was harder to make than any his other fights it’s all subjective. What isn’t subjective and we can all agree on that was some of the worst corner work we’ve ever saw from a unified world champion
Did you miss the medical report released after the fight? But it's not even just that. He was visibly drained during the fight. I have been around the sport long enough to recognize weight draining when I see it.
Like I’ve said there’s a difference between weight drained and critically, the key word is critically.
Also what medical report after the fight mentioned weight drain? There was an issue around air being in parts of his body that it shouldn’t have been, that’s probably came from getting smashed to pieces, it defo doesn’t come from a weight cut anyway.
Do you not agree the main reason he lost was poor corner work? Establish a double jab and follow up with a right as he comes in, keep it rangey and it was an easy night for Teo not “just go out there and knock this guy out”
Of course the camp had to be poor as well. But the main reason was being weight drained. Teofimo showed he could deal with a high IQ boxer like Lomachenko. Even with a poor camp, a healthy Teofimo beats Kambosos.
Go back and read the report. It is a condition directly related to weight draining.
I have read the report, why don’t you? It’s a small tear in the oesophagus that’s the likely cause of it, nothing to do with weight loss.
Teo didn’t have any answers for Loma as soon as Loma decided to actually fight and not try and hide behind defence. Loma lost the fight not Teo winning
give kambosos his props when teo was winning all these fights at 135 there was no weight drained excuse. Also before the fight kambosos was a basically a bum who teo was just gonna walkthrough No excuses for loma or teo.
Kambosos did what he needed to do. I have always said that. He did his part. But it doesnt change the fact that in order for Kambosos to win Teofimo had to have his worst possible night.
Yeah whatever excuses excuses.
Yeah hype beat Loma 🙄
Loma bought into the power and was scared to throw, when he finally grew a pair of balls and fought, what happened?
That's some lay person shit right there. He's a boxer, he either felt it or didn't in the match. He's not going to base anything on hype in the media, its feeling in the ring.
Maybe he felt it but he eventually pushed through and realised ohh I can just smash this guy to pieces and guess what, when he done that he did
I'd enjoy a rematch, I also agree that loma would win that but at the same time teofimo is very very good and has real power.
This was on my personal fights to make in 2022. Stylistically I think its a great fight which either man can win.
Teofimo has loads of talent and potential. Hopefully he comes back better and has an actual trainer other than his delusional dad.
Never forget: "Calm down! Take it steady! WHAT ARE YOU DOING!?!? Knock this mother fucker out!"
FINISH HIM ALREADY WHAT DA FUCK IS GOIN ONN HE DIDNT REALLY HURT YA U WAS OFF BALANCE JAB JAB JAB CMON HIT EM HERE RIGHT DERE KNOCK THE FUCKIN BUM OUT HES HURT HES FUCKIN HURT BRO
If you look back at the clip I think Sr. only said to calm down because the assistant trainer said that. Then he couldn't contain it and said what he really thought. The guy is an egomaniac/idiot.
That has to top "You better fuckin get inside on him now...". HoF corner talk right there.
ATG corner advice.
Good! Teofimo is still a very good fighter. It is insane how fighters lose so much stock with a loss around here. He went from being a god to a bum.
And they cry when fighters want to protect their 0 record . Hypocrites
Well said. Some of these boxing fans are toxic as fuck. I feel for boxers like Teo and Taylor, they take on the best risking their '0' early in their careers and then called "overhyped" soon as they lose. It's pathetic.
Other than the Commey KO and staving off Loma for 1/2 a fight, when has Teo looked great?
So other than the two(half a fight...🤣) biggest opportunities a 23 year old kid has been given? You make it sound like this is a 34 year old Andrade.
Nakatani and Kambosos were also big opportunities. Even Teo didn't think he was great against Nakatani.
What an absolute stupid take this was. Wow.
You could reply to the question instead of being insulting. When has he looked great?
>when has Teo looked great?
He obliterated everyone he fought on the way up except Nakatani.
Do you consider any of his pre Nakatani fights to be legit challenges?
anyhow.. the idea that teo 'went from being a god" is what I was responding that started this mess. A god, he is not.
Arnold Barboza's name is getting thrown around a lot. Likely?