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JamJam120199

Boxing fans : why don't boxers take risky fights more often, it's what the fans want to see.... Also boxing fans : LoL this Olympic gold & previously defending world champ has lost twice to a fat Mexican & a manlet, who does this Bum think he is talking about being great XDXDXD.


njl4515

I don’t get your point. What does fighting often and taking risky fights have to do with his statement about being **legend**? And do you think Usyk was considered a risky fight at the time? Do you think Ruis was ever considered a risky fight? These were two fights AJ was expected to win and lost. He’d have to beat Fury and Wilder to really be in the “legend” conversation although I guess legend is subjective


JamJam120199

Only casuals thought usyk was not a risk...


pickin666

Filthy casuals


lonelyfool7

Even on this sub before the Ruiz fight a lot of people were saying Ruiz will surprise people and win. But AJ should be a fan favourite. He's always given the fans what they want. But I guess this world favours the ones that do not care.


TeaAndCrumpetGhoul

I'm quite proud i accurately predicted a Ruiz win in their first fight.


lonelyfool7

I mean that's what I love about reddit. If you filter enough out enough of the casual comments you do get some good stuff on here.


Beneficial-Speech-73

Bro don't chat shit majority of this sub thought usyk was way too small and was going to get smoked based on his performance against dell boy


JamJam120199

Willing to bet majority of this sub are semi casuals who have only watched usyk fight chisora or AJ & have never boxed in there life. Anyone who even dipped into the previous Usyk fights would know he had a granite chin & was levels above AJ technically. I say this in spite of AJ being my favourite current boxer.


Feeling-Pipe-7461

Most of them did, but then Del Boy whooped Parkers ass and some people were coming around Usyks performance, not even talking about the minority, but some of the users on here that actually know shit about boxing who said that Usyk wins


stephen27898

Just because the majority thins something doesnt make them right.


njl4515

This is revisionist. I don't remember an outlet picking Usyk, especially because Usyk struggled more against Chisora than he did against AJ. Styles make fights and we now know how amazing Usyk is, but at the time AJ was the favorite in what people thought would be a competitive but clear win to clear the way for a Fury fight.


PopPop-Magnitude

Nah I remember thinking Usyk would box circles around AJ unless AJ imposes his size, and AJ hadnt done that since ruiz 2. I thought it would be a risky fight for both fighters and gave the edge to AJ,, but it was definitely not a huge upset of anything


njl4515

Maybe it's just semantics again, just like legend, but imo a "risky" fight is really only risky if most people think you'll lose. Myself and most pundits/media outlets/former and current boxers had AJ pegged to win. That's not risky for me, it's gotta be an even fight or a fight most people are thinking you would lose. This was just a tough fight that AJ had the tools and physical gifts to grab the win for, but didn't have the gameplan or mentality.


JamJam120199

Shrug I backed usyk from day 1, he is a unified Champ at cruiser weight & never been beat. Majority of the local boxing gym I go to also picked uysk. All the media picked AJ because Aj is good for the money & they are as basic as bigger = will win Wilder fury was considered a 50/50 by the bookies and anyone who has boxed should have known it who was winning that.


njl4515

Which is all fine, good on you for seeing who was the better boxer (I sure didn't, I had AJ doing what Chisora did but better against Usyk and taking the UD). We're getting away from the point that these road bumps in AJ's career take him away from that "legendary" status and the fact that most pundits and media outlets, rightfully or wrongfully, had AJ winning these fights hurts him even more. AJ is easily one of the best heavyweights of his generation (which is why Usyk sprung so much into the limelight after beating AJ) but I don't personally consider him a legend even if he avenges his loss to Usyk. He'd have to beat Fury at a minimum.


ethnicbonsai

Lennox got KO'd by McCall while he was ascendant. He then got KO'd by Hasim Rahman near the pinnacle of his career. He is widely regarded as one of the greatest of all time. Joshua lost his titles because he rushed in and tried to get a dramatic win in his American debut (on the heels of his main rival having a spectacular KO), got clocked and never recovered. He then thoroughly dominated in the rematch. He got outclassed by a more skilled and incredibly accomplished P4P fighter. We'll see what he does in the rematch (I predict he loses). If he wins, it will be a spectacular return that he will deserve a great deal of respect for. I don't think many (this time) favor AJ to win. If he does, he'll prove a lot of people wrong. Again. He's already one of the 50 greatest heavyweights ever (by a wide margin). Beating Usyk only increases his standing.


StilLBC

He’s the 3rd or 4th best heavyweight in his own era, never mind top 50. Credit for stanning hard tho


ethnicbonsai

Okay. Go ahead and name 50 fighters better than him. I'll wait.


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Tickle-me-Cthulu

3rd best heavyweight in an era gets you comfortably in to the top 50 overall. There aren't *that* many eras, even adjusting for this being a weak one.


Lupus76

I, like everyone else on this sub, knew Usyk would easily beat AJ. We just had a lot to do that week, so we didn't post anything about it nor did we make any money by betting on the underdog we knew would win. But AJ obviously sucks and we have always been right about everything. Just don't look through our posting histories.


StilLBC

Can’t tell these people the truth man. AJ has lost twice and still hasn’t faced the best in the division. Usyk only got the fight because the WBO gave him a mandatory when they named him super champ at CRUISERWEIGHT, not because of anything he’d done at heavyweight. He wasn’t favored. That’s jus r/boxing for you.


ArthurDent42424242

Well thats hus point. Casuals


Feeling-Pipe-7461

So Crawford in't one of the two best Welterweights, because he was super champ at LIGHT WELTERWEIGHT?


StilLBC

LIGHT WELTERWEIGHT ISN’T A DIVISION IN BOXING SO I DONT KNOW WHAT THE FUCK YOURE TALKING ABOUT.


Feeling-Pipe-7461

Lmfao what? 140lbs isn't a division? WBC and WBA call it super Lightweight and IBF and WBO call it Junior/Light Welterweight


StilLBC

Sure - no one calls it light welterweight tho Anyways the difference between super light and welter is 7 lbs. The difference between a cruiser and a heavyweight can be unlimited but in the case of AJ vs Usyk it was about 20 lbs. if Usyk ever fought Fury it’s be more like 50 lbs. The Crawford comparison isn’t very accurate when you look at it that way.


Feeling-Pipe-7461

I disagree with you there, you're coming from a point where you play down Usyks accomplishment


StilLBC

OK. You’re playing down Usyk’s “accomplishments” at heavyweight before he fought AJ. He looked average at best which is why he was an underdog.


Feeling-Pipe-7461

I mean he was deservedly an underdog, but I made money betting on him, even so confident betting on 1:1 odds at our watch party and there were a bunch of other people on this sub also confident in an Usyk win. Obviously the public and boxing casuals favored AJ


stephen27898

People can consider it whatever they want reality, yes Ruiz was a risk, a man with no pressure coming into a fight where he had it all to gain and nothing to lose, a man with an odd style for a heavyweight, extremely fast hands and very tough, also a different fighter to the one AJ was preparing for and that causes another issues. ​ Usyk was 100% a risk, in every way that was a risk, everyone who's not an idiot knows how good Usyk is and knows he's a threat to any heavyweight of any era.


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he ducked Wilder and Fury, of course people are gonna have doubts


LordofSuns

Clown comment right here


JamJam120199

"Ducked" means they are scared to fight another fighter and are avoiding it as best they can. Wilder was offered the fight but declined because he didn't feel he paid enough AJ was set to fight fury in Dubai but bob arum screwed the deal by not sorting out the wilder third fight arbitration. AJ was willing to fight anyone and has shown that time after time.


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Yeah, lowballing someone is ducking. They could easily make the fight happen and if he won he could lowball whoever he wanted. But he was scared so he lowballed Wilder.


callmelampshade

AJ offered more money to Wilder than what he made fighting Fury. AJ and Dillian Whyte are probably the only current HWs who haven’t ducked anyone.


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Lol, Whyte ducked Ortiz many times, also he ducked Wallin. Thats why he couldnt challenge for the title since he was ducking left and right. In first fight Wilder made like 15 mil, in second 25+ and it was 50-50 split. AJ lowballed cause he was scared, meanwhile both Fury and Wilder had balls to fight each other.


callmelampshade

I’m pretty sure they didn’t fight because Ortiz failed a drug test and Wilder said he could have made more money fighting AJ than Fury even though for years he said AJ was scared to fight him lol.


SSJ4Autism

“AJ ducked Wilder” heads are always the dumbest


BillehBear

> AJ lowballed cause he was scared Mate Wilder has *literally* admitted himself he took less money to fight Fury stop talking bollocks. Wilder ducked AJ, no need for you to make up bullshit about it when Wilder admitted it himself


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But he had bigger split so it was fair, while AJ tried to screw him over by lowballing him. Thats just how it is. In the end Wilder got into one of the best trilogies while AJ got knocked out by fat andy.


ppshchik

Joshua alienated most of his fans by making a racist remark. Reap what you sow.


GodOfBlobs

the “superior black race” comment was literally a fake account and it wasn’t him the white shops thing was taken out of context, he was reading from a script and he actually interjected after reading it and saying “it’s not about not going in their shops, invest in your own businesses if you want to uplift yourself” he even said before he started reading the script “it’s not about black vs white”. if you even watched the full video or paid attention you’d know this


Feeling-Pipe-7461

He didn't. Most people don't even know about that.


MrDuhVinci

Nah Usyk will suddenly become that 'Cruiserweight' who was roughed up by Chisora who never should have posed a problem to a 'Real' Heavyweight.


Grackful

The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. Usyk is a master boxer who will outbox anyone if they give him the chance, and he is a true champion who will never have an off night or fail to rise to the occasion, but any of the superheavyweights should be able to make significant use of the huge size disparity


Gilius-thunderhead_

Too much has been made so far of the size discrepancy. It was there in the last fight and it made fuck all difference. Usyks a boxing master and has a bigger build than Muhammad Ali did. All this bloated cruiserweight chat seems to be from folk who are a bit salty at his prowess. The onus is on AJ and in fact the rest of the division to make this size difference count, but it should be pointed out it is boxing not a bodybuilding contest.


Feeling-Pipe-7461

Usyk is pretty much Alis built. same height and reach, both matured late and got their man pounds rather late, Usyk is a bit lighter than Ali, though. Ali was all around just surdy built, especially his legs


Feeling-Pipe-7461

He beat up Chisora with a 40lbs disadvantage, when he should have had a win over Parker and or Whyte.


CynicalEffect

No no, it would be "Usyk would haev won if he wasn't literally involved in a war in the months before the fight"


Loud_Benefit_4809

People want the big fights to happen but criticize the shit out of whoever looses 😂🤦🏽‍♂️


icelandiccubicle20

Damned if you do, damned if you don't haha


Giovanni_Wonderland

It's what they sign up for 🤷‍♂️


MotherLoveBone27

People will find a reason to criticize the shit out of anything, especially in boxing... btw I really dislike that you used emojis on reddit and you're tone makes me think you hate AJ. Get it together mate.


deaniegee

Many on this sub seem to hate the guy with a passion lol, whenever his name is mentioned it’s just a pool of negativity. Have also noticed it for certain other fighters, buts it’s increased to the max when it comes to AJ


MotherLoveBone27

It's just jealously. Look at the dude, he's a boxing champion who looks like a superhero. It's obvious with these fight fans. Exact same thing happened with Luke Rockhold in MMA. Adonis champion level fighter who can get any girl he wants. People despise these types because they're jealous haha. Neither dude ever did anything wrong, just maybe awkwardly said something to reassure themselves like X cant compete with me. I'm the best etc. Then they're viewed as elitist arrogant bastards.


deaniegee

It’s certainly odd I tell you that, I could understand he’s said questionable things at times and maybe forces the goody goody persona alot. But then shouldn’t he be given credit for turning himself round and being a relatively decent role model? Given he’s coming from the streets himself sadly, but yeah your right. Some people will hate you for everything you do sadly, and that’s just life isn’t it


Joe_Rogan_is_a_Dwarf

You’re right, the Rockhold one is weird because people genuinely want to see him fail and take pleasure in his knockout losses, unless you have good reason wanting to see some fail and get seriously hurt in the process you gotta be a little crazy. People think he’s a huge douche but I literally think he’s just socially awkward, especially infront of cameras. Anyone wants to see examples just look at his Instagram comments.


MotherLoveBone27

Happy Cake day dude! And yeah you are 100 percent correct. There are fighters that I dislike and want to see lose but I don't want then injured or anything like that. Rockhold is just awkward and has trouble expressing himself. As a fight fan him on his run to the title was amazing. Such a talented grappler and versatile striker. A really under appreciated fighter for sure.


icelandiccubicle20

Maybe that's why a lot of dudes love Fury, he's a very flawed human being who talks a lot of trash and is built like a bag of milk and yet he's one of the best hw's in the world, maybe they find him a bit more relatable.


RedB4ck

No-one hates gayjay..


heyimrick

His tone didn't read anything like that...


MotherLoveBone27

That was the joke... literally trying to find anything trivial to villains the original commenter


heyimrick

Whooshed me then lol, my bad


Gilius-thunderhead_

Funny attitude to take for someone who has just "critized the shit" out of a poster for something so trivial and petty as using emojis. Listen if emojis are illegal on reddit then they shouldn't actually be available to use on the platform. I suggest you get it together, get off your arrogant high horse and take a look in the mirror.


SamuraiPizzaCats

Damn dude you really took the bait hey?


ArthurDent42424242

You cant blame them. People want to witness history being made. Some small mexican dude winning his n-th weight class belt against much bigger russian. You could talk about this fight for 50 years. But then you get dissapointed


Thefdt

I don’t think it’s the fact he’s lost that’s grating on people it’s more when he comes out with some of this bollocks, he should have more respect for usyk. Calling himself the ‘comeback king’ what’s he come back from? He beat a really out of shape fat Mexican and beat an old stiff ideal opponent in pulev. Even if he wins this I’m not sure he’d be seen as a legend, he’d need to at least fight fury and be competitive for that to happen.


j0hnamp0ng

Meanwhile, Garcia is confident that he can get the eye of the tiger back for Joshua. He said: “He’s a great fighter, very talented, and one of the best pound-for-pound in the world. “Some people might even say he’s the best in the world. He’s a legit fighter, and as a person too. “I actually know him personally. He trained in my gym in Oxnard in the United States. “I know his team really well, and his manager really well. It’s going to be a challenge for me. “Bringing a fighter [Joshua] that lost his last fight to beat the favoured guy, the one that we shouldn’t beat, that we can’t beat. “I’ve done it a few times before, and this is another opportunity for me to show what I can do in the ring.”


WinstonChirpsehill

Oxnar-wat is dis Oxford?


The_Powers

BRILLIANT AJ


TheOGBlackScorpio

As much as I’m not a massive fan of Joshua he has done well in this era. Like no one can take away the championships he has won so I think he will be regarded quite high after he is done boxing, like at least Frank Bruno level of respect. Sure I don’t think he is a patch on fury/Usyk and I guess him and Wilder is actually an exciting 50/50 but yeah I reckon he’ll have some status 5 years after his retirement.


ZerosX2

Why hasnt aj/wilder happened anyway. At this point it never will


williepep1960

I never understood comments like this, if you go back in history mane so called great fights happened the same way Joshua vs Wilder might happen in future SRL VS Hagler, should've happened in 82-83 but happened after 6 years. Same with Fury vs Wilder in a way how it played out. Holyfield vs Tyson happened after 7 years. Pacquiao vs Floyd after 5-6 years. Duran vs Hagler happened in 85. Maybe they were not all great matches and didn't happened at the right time but still


fuckthewholeroster

We all know the answer to that. Wilder’s team dawdled and blew his best shot at the titles and a big purse.


danishih

Agreed. That isn't on AJ's camp


chupo99

Goes both ways. Wilder wanted a shot at AJ before the big dazn offer and AJ turned it down. AJ and Hearn came back after more fights and offered an even bigger multi fight dazn deal(the first fight didn't even include AJ) and Wilder turned it down. Then they both started losing and got caught up in rematches and trying to win back belts. If Wilder had actually won against Fury it would have been a good decision and probably got him a more equitable offer for an AJ fight. Instead it turned out to be the worst thing he could have done. Wilder/Fury took over 3 years to resolve.


fuckthewholeroster

There’s nothing there to suggest Wilder’s team wanted to give AJ a fight. Until there’s proof then it’s all bullshit talk like he and his team are known for.


chupo99

Incorrect. They offered AJ exactly what he said the fight was not worth($50M) when AJ was justifying Hearn's low ball flat fee offers. Before the dazn offer of a multi fight deal Hearn was literally only offering Wilder flat fees. Low ball flat fees for literally the biggest fight there was to make in heavyweight boxing at the time (Fury was still retired and over 300lbs, Usyk and Ruiz weren't a name at HW, etc). Offering a flat fee for the biggest fight is text book "we don't want to make the fight but we need a headline". GGG and Canelo went through the exact same thing. So Wilder offered AJ $50 million for the fight back in 2018 after AJ claimed the fight wasn't even worth that much. AJ turned it down and is on record saying why he had to turn down $50M: ​ >“So, let’s say that fifty million we talked about. Listen, it’s a hell of a lot of money and it was an honour to even have that number thrown at me!" > >“But then when you dissected it and what it actually it was, it was kind of like a rights fee – ‘We own you for this amount of money’." > >“The issue I had was that I’ve got long-standing contracts in place with certain partnerships. So you may put that money forward and think that you own me 100% but you may only own 50% so that makes their 50% worth 25%.“ > >"So when you start getting into the intricacies of a contract and what the real value is, that’s when that starts taking place." Source: [https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/461328/anthony-joshua-offer-deontay-wilder-highlights-dillian-whyte-rematch/](https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/461328/anthony-joshua-offer-deontay-wilder-highlights-dillian-whyte-rematch/) ​ So if you have existing contracts that won't allow you to accept counter offers of $50M then offer Wilder more than a $15M flat fee. In hindsight that number sounds absolutely insane. And the $100M offer didn't happen until after Fury 1 and before Fury 2 which Wilder already said he had agreed to fight. As far as I'm concerned that offer was Hearn's first real offer and only after Wilder's stock is rising and AJ had no big names to fight at the time. You simply don't get to offer low ball flat fees for the biggest fight in heavyweight boxing and claim you wanted the fight. Anyone who hasn't seen that promoter playbook play out multiple times before doesn't know shit about boxing. It was even complete with the cliche "But it's his biggest pay day so far!". Personally I think $100M for three fights was a fair offer and in hindsight Wilder definitely should have taken the money and left Fury alone but let's not rewrite history as though Wilder wasn't trying to make the fight and Hearn wasn't throwing out lowball offers to string the fight along for a bigger pay day.


richie030

Because Eddie Hearn called Wilders manager Shirley Wrinkle and they all got offended, closed up shop and wanted to lock AJ out. Instead, AJ got spanked by Ruiz and made a fucking bomb in the rematch, rinse and repeat with Usyk. Would love AJ v Fury or Wilder more than v Usyk even if AJ loses to Usyk tbh. It needs to happen and it would be pure entertainment, they would make a bomb too.


jfduval76

He’ll never be the next Lennox Lewis.


KR4T0S

Lewis and Bowe are big guys that are also talented boxers in a very competitive era, it really is a tough act to follow IMO.


jfduval76

Fun fact, AJ is even bigger than them.


Feeling-Pipe-7461

Only by height. Look at Lewis at 240 and AJ at 240. Lennox' frame supported the weight much better


Icy-Sugarr

He doesn't have to be. He's a different fighter in a much different era and a much different person lol. Food for thought: AJ has achieved more in 26 fights than Lewis did in 35 fights despite starting much later than Lewis as a professional and amateur. And what made Lewis great is that he fought everybody of his era and came out on top(or tried to in the case of Bowe). AJ thus far has fought everybody of his era and came out on top against everyone besides Usyk who he's currently rematching(or tried to with Fury and Wilder but like Lewis it wasn't his fault the fights didn't happen). So whether he's not the next Lennox Lewis, he's definitely making it on his own.


icelandiccubicle20

I think he's higher up than Bruno, he beat better opponents, had more title defenses, less devastating knockout losses etc


ActionBronson666

if he bets Usyk this time around he deserves the respect of being basically an ATG. Wins against Wlad and Usyk would be incredible


TheMarsian

An ATG has no business losing to a CW, even to an ATG CW.


CurtisMcNips

Mike Tyson would like a word.


Feeling-Pipe-7461

Like Ali? Like Tyson? Like Vitali? Like Holmes? Like Foreman?


disgruntledarmadillo

He's comfortably ahead of Bruno who took 4 attempts to win a title


Revolverocicat

Hmm people like bruno though. Joshua has a completely fake non-personality thing going on. Its not just about his achievements in the ring.


TheMarsian

Not that high, yes. No proper all time heavyweight great should get beaten by a CW. He's good yeah. But that's it.


disgruntledarmadillo

Guess Tyson, Bowe and Foreman were shit then


TheMarsian

You do know that Holyfield was a legit heavyweight Champ when he beat Bowe? He got those belt from Douglas before he got past Foreman and before he got to Bowe. You know that, right? Foreman was 42. And Bowe avenged that lost. And years after all these did Holyfield get Tyson. He was a legitimate HW Champ. The man AJ is with on that list is Buster Douglas. The man people know because he won against the shell of Tyson. And Ruiz for losing to a LHW RJJ. That is why Bowe, Foreman and Tyson is above AJ. Usyk didn't have any of the main HW belts, and looked like he didn't belong in the division against Chisora who's not going down on anyones ATG. Even if he does avenge his loss soon, he'd always be the HW Champ that lost to a CW Champ going up. If Usyk beats AJ again and then lose to any other HW, that would make AJ shit all the more. And they'd be no flak for the next HW guy he wins against as he's now a legit HW champ... thanks to AJ.


Feeling-Pipe-7461

Jesus, they're all such uneducated takes. Holyfield who won against Bowe was 214lbs, that's lighter than Usyk against either AJ or Chisora.


TheMarsian

speaking of uneducated. you do know Holyfield was a legitimate HW Champ when he beat Bowe, right? And that Bowe avenged that loss, right? who cares if he was lighter? when he got most of the HW main belts.


Feeling-Pipe-7461

You don't make sense. With the same reasoning Usyk is a legitimate HW champ aswell.


TheMarsian

Well now he is, because he beat AJ. But before they met he isn't. That is why Bowe, Foreman and Tyson losing to Holyfield is not the same as AJ losing to Usyk. That simple. No ATG HW should lose to CW.


Feeling-Pipe-7461

Your reasoning is weird. Usyk is retroactively a Heavyweight champ now. With or without the belts he is skillwise and sizewise the same guy, it doesn't make a difference at all.


TheMarsian

You see no one is saying he was all of a sudden a different guy because he got the belt. No. The climb to LHW and CW historically is not an easy task compared when moving up in weight class south of the divisions. This is why there are not many names who did that and those who did, beat HW that are not highly regarded. RJJ, Haye, Holyfield, and now Usyk, are some of the successful ones. And the ones they beat to get their belts are not great HW. There's Ruiz, Douglas etc. You can now add AJ to that list. Theyre not ATG. Some redditors argued that "Bowe, Tyson and Foreman are not great then", which is an uneducated take. Because when Usyk beat AJ, AJ wasn't past it and supposedly one of the greats. And Usyk was at CW just 2 fights away. We even saw him struggled against Chisora and was not holding any of the main HW belts. That's how CW he was at this point. While Holyfield was a legit heavyweight Champ when he met Foreman, who was +40 yrs old, then Bowe, who avenged that lose, and years after Tyson. So Holyfield wasn't going up to HW, he was a HW Champ. An ATG HW has no business losing to someone going up in weight. And it's evident, Ruiz, Douglas etc they're not exactly spoken in high regard.


Asleep_Astronaut396

Don't just box him, fight him


Particular-Courage77

You should send that in a email and then AJ can give you a shout after the fight for the free coaching. I just hope Usyk's team can convince Reddit to take down this recipe for his down fall by the greatest of all boxing sages, Asleep_Astronaut396, so as to at least make the fight some what compelling.


icelandiccubicle20

.... If I didn't know better, I'd think you were being sarcastic


nerdherdsman

No /s, that means we have to take him seriously. It's reddit law.


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SSJ4Autism

One more time


TheGrammarHero

You should send that in a email and then AJ can give you a shout after the fight for the free coaching. I just hope Usyk's team can convince Reddit to take this down this recipe for his down fall by the greatest of all boxing sages, Asleep_Astronaut396, so as to at least make the fight some what compelling.


Particular-Courage77

Yeah that was Reddit not me mate lol.


SSJ4Autism

Ik it’s just funny


danishih

Didn't catch it the first time. What's your opinion?


LordofSuns

Don't just tap him, whack him


CacoFlaco

If Joshua does that, he'll walk into one Usyk southpaw left after another. And we see how poorly he reacts when he gets tagged solidly. Usyk isn't exactly a slug. He's not going to fall apart if Joshua tries to get aggressive.


Asleep_Astronaut396

Maybe but just boxing isn't going to win him the fight.


Sweetest_of_Sugar

i root for this guy


j0hnamp0ng

He told ESPN: “I feel when I go and beat Usyk, I’ll get the credit I deserve again. “And I’ll get the admiration for being a true boxing legend. … I fought for the heavyweight championship in my 16th fight; I felt like it’s kind of overlooked.” For those that doubt him after his poor display last time out, he said: “I knew where I wasn’t good enough, you know, areas where I was exposed. “And look, I’ve got a third chance to become heavyweight champion of the world. “I will address the weaknesses and then I’ll make sure I get it right and become champion again. I think it’s a task that’s definitely possible.”


Vendettaa

To contextualize, he prefaced this by saying he won his HW title in his 19th fight and if he beats Usyk in a credible fashion to become three time Unified HW champion then he'll deserve a lot of credit.


comie1

Can’t say I disagree 🤷‍♂️


Hagler3-16

Three time unified champ just means he lost it twice


Feeling-Pipe-7461

It also means he was good enough to get it back.


Vendettaa

I think three times Unified HW champion means he became HW champion three times in his short career. But I'm not sure.


Blue_Wizard25

3 time doesn't mean shit.. everyone wants to be 1 time IF given the choice.


Fuckyourslipper

Doesn’t mean shit? Winning a heavyweight title doesn’t mean shit?


HarryGoldstein

Winning the title 3 times just means you've lost twice. It's not more of an accomplishment than being a 1 time heavyweight champion.


MadelineWuntch

It is in the sense you fixed your flaws and took your throne back.


HarryGoldstein

How is that more of an accomplishment than never losing?


MadelineWuntch

I literally explained how it was in as few as words as possible, idk what else to say to you man...


HarryGoldstein

Because your logic makes zero sense? How is it more impressive that Joshua lost to Ruiz then beat him after? Compared to him just winning the first time?


MadelineWuntch

Because it proves he can correct his faults and regain his throne. I don't understand how else to say it to you, you may disagree and you'll be wrong but it is what it is.


zippyhornmonster

Never argue with an idiot


CurtisMcNips

The greatest of all times have lost their titles and won them back, coming back from a defeat to climb back to the top is also a great achievement. I can't help but think this sort or mentality only hurts boxing, both for the legacies of the boxers and the entertainment of fans. I'm sure the likes of Ali, Sugar Ray Robinson, Sugar Ray Leonards et al absolutely didn't think them regaining their titles "didn't mean shit". Lots of all time greats didn't even get back to the top after they lost them, hell some of them like Marvelous Marvin Hagler even took a couple L's before they even got to a title.


richie030

Well Wilder is a 1 time champion who lost in his first competitive fight, at least AJ can say he tested himself.


HarryGoldstein

I never defended Wilder? But Ruiz on a one month notice was a test? Lmao this sub man, I swear you guys get paid to do this.


richie030

I was just commenting that being a 1 time champion is not necessarily a greater claim than a 3 time champion. That's the whole point in conversation, if we all agreed with each other about everything, chat would be boring. Jeff Horn was a 1 time champion, that is obviously better than being a 3 time champion isn't it? You need to chill, I never personally attacked you, if you can't have a conversation without being upset you should probably not participate in a forum.


HarryGoldstein

>I was just commenting that being a 1 time champion is not necessarily a greater claim than a 3 time champion. That's the whole point in conversation, if we all agreed with each other about everything, chat would be boring. I still don't understand where you're trying to take this conversation? Joshua with an identical career, except the fact the he's still a 1 time world champion (beating Ruiz the first time and beating Usyk) is a much better accomplishment than him having two loses and being a three-time champion. >Jeff Horn was a 1 time champion, that is obviously better than being a 3 time champion isn't it? What? Being a 1 time champion for say, 10 fights is better than saying you're a 3 time champion over the span of those exact same fights. >You need to chill, I never personally attacked you, if you can't have a conversation without being upset you should probably not participate in a forum. I laughed? Who's upset? It's a hilarious take.


richie030

You say your laughing but you also insulted the whole sub. 1. I think it's more likely you're a bit irritated that no one agrees with you. 2. You're actually arrogant enough to believe that you are right and everyone else is wrong.


HarryGoldstein

Didn't want to address anything I said? Also, I'm not irritated at all, the sub has a very strong pro-Joshua bias, which usually doesn't formulate around takes this hilariously bad, but here we are. Ask any fighter in the history of the world what they'd rather do, 1. Go 10-0 in 10 fights, being the world heavyweight champion 1 time (for all 10 fights). 2. Go 8-2 in 10 fights, being the world heavyweight champion 3 times. I'm sure literally every fighter would agree with me. Also, downvotes are how you're judging whether or not something is correct? If people downvoted 2+2=4, would you suddenly believe it doesn't?


HarryBlessKnapp

1 time champion means you never won it back


HarryGoldstein

It means you never lost it.


HarryBlessKnapp

Wilder is a 1 time champion


HarryGoldstein

He sure is. But we're talking about whether or not it's more impressive to never lose and be a 1 time world champion or lose twice and be a 3 time world champion.


Fuckyourslipper

I don’t think it’s less of one either.


eezzeemushy

Considering Usyk is considered a top 4 pound for pound fighter I agree.


salazarboxing

As much as I love Usyk, I want to see AJ a champion again.


richie030

AJ vs Wilder or Fury is too entertaining to not happen.


G497

AJ is a cool guy.


Vendettaa

Get ready for downvotes.


Feeling-Pipe-7461

AJ can always go to Fuy and try his luck whooping his ass


ShearAhr

Oh man AJ hasn't realized yet it's a lose-lose fight for him. If he wins he just beat a bloated-up CW to who he was never supposed to lose anyways. And his country is on fire too. If he loses he just lost to one of the greatest boxers ever. Also, his country is on fire.


robust_syrup

> If he wins he just beat a bloated-up CW to who he was never supposed to lose anyways. I think this was the case for the first fight but I don’t think any serious fan will think that this time. Usyk is now well-regarded as a master technician by almost everyone; beating him will certainly be a feather in AJ’s cap.


ShearAhr

You should be right. In a just world, you would be right. But you will be surprised.


rajagopal2001

Usyk has the same height and reach of Muhammed Ali.


venom1stas

AJ is a legend in his own right already. He appeals to the masses and unlike Lewis AJ flies British flag unconditionally. Being a gold Olympic medalist in Britian already makes you a household name and some receive knighthoods for their achievements. His upbringing also resonates with a lot of young coloured kids he is both an example of a stratified society and what you can achieve with hard work.


batterysniffer

Brent moment


mistersuccessful

“Coloured kids”? Lol. I see your point but I would just say “inner city youth” or “kids from working class backgrounds”


Small_Explorer8773

That’s such a sixties expression lol


ReadSecret3580

What is lol about being colored?


mistersuccessful

Cos Black people are not “coloured” It is a stupid and dated term


ReadSecret3580

Well they aren’t black either now are they


hottlumpiaz

Beating Usyk would make him 3-2 in his last 5 fights and never fighting let alone beating the ring #1 or 2 in the division and he thinks it would make him a true boxing legend. 🤣🤣🤣


alewex

Big IF


Independent_Island74

Aj constantly needing a do over legend


ArthurDent42424242

Well I do admire revanges in resumes. When you loom at boxing greats, they do loose, but they always avenge it


Glittering_Neck4699

He needs to beat him twice really or win very convincingly.


green2145

He'll be on par with Lewis having avenged his losses. AJ has a chance if he comes to fight. He can't outbox Usyk.


linearphaze

AJ will lose then maybe we can move past this blow hard. I lost all respect for him when he jogged himself to a victory with a Ruiz rematch.


Solidplasticmonkey

AJ lost all respect when he got KO’d by Ruiz and When he got taken to school by Usyk. AJ ain’t no legend, not even close


CacoFlaco

Amazing that folks actually downvote your comment. I guess they somehow feel that Joshua is a heavyweight legend. Have they ever taken the time to watch film of true heavyweight legends? They would quickly realize that Joshua doesn't belong in the discussion.


Solidplasticmonkey

Agreed. AJ is not even in the top 25 heavyweights of all time imo


Bwayne73

Too much talk and justification from this guy. He lost his fighting spirit long ago


CacoFlaco

Guy is living in a fantasy world. 'A true boxing legend.' 😂 When Joshua's career concludes, he'll be fortunate if folks hold him in as high regard as Frank Bruno. Or Bonecrusher Smith. Among the roll call of heavyweight champions, Joshua falls into the 'ordinary' category.


In_Search_Of_Sunrise

This guy is mentally unstable. Should retire soon and enjoy a peaceful lifestyle.


Jonesbones85

Come on man. He's ducking fury at this point. And ever better is if he can beat wilder.


disembodied_corpse

if he’s doing it for admiration and other people’s opinion i can’t imagine he’s going to win, i have Usyk winning anyways


Azwald13

Legend? What’s he smoking? 3 time world champ is nothing to be proud of.. means u lost twice lol… I would rather be one time champion and undefeated