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russian_hackers

both with the same promoter, easy fight to make


Vendettaa

Just like Wilder Ruiz. Easy fight to make. Ruiz called out wilder a coupla times. Why don't it get made?


bozzi16

It will get made after wilder beats Helenius


HoxHound

if


bozzi16

Suppose, Helenius does have a good punchers chance of ending the fight


CacoFlaco

It's getting built up. Ruiz beats Ortiz. Then Wilder beats Helenius and the bout happens next spring. These preliminary showcase fights need to happen before a big match is put together. The fans appetite needs to be whet. Have patience. Things wisely don't happen overnight in boxing.


Grouchy_Elk_8004

Cos Wilder will ruin Ruiz he won’t be the same after that KO just let it play out it will happen in future


Relative_Climate_572

You just made me realise that Fury v Joyce most likely won’t get made by Warren because Warren wants Joyce to win a title. He most likely isn’t going to beat Fury. They’re looking to Usyk to get Joyce a title


PJT76

Going off him caving DuBois eye socket in and the Parker win I guessing no one will want to fight Joyce now. I’d love to see him v Wilder and I’d love to see how Usyk deals with his constant pressure. I’m not bothered about watching Fury against anyone apart from Usyk or Joyce but I doubt any of those fights will be made any time soon. Fury beats them both imo, but probably more interested in making money dancing around with old MMA lads or…Charr! Like, WTF is that about? Why? Absolute nonsense


Orgazmo_87

Yeah unless joyce gets an interim wbo hes just not worth the risk. Also its not like you'll get great money from fighting him as he's not a big draw He's heavy handed with great stamina and a granite chin. Id definitely have him as the best of the rest outside uysk, fury. Hed potentially beat joshua and wilder albeit as an underdog


fuzzmach

He has the WBO interim, chief! We could see him elevated anytime in the next 11 months should the WBO see fit.


Orgazmo_87

Didn't realise this. A few people like whyte might take a punt on him then to get a title although still dont see it


CacoFlaco

Folks wondered how it would turn out if Joshua pressured Usyk. He did, but it didn't matter. Talent wins out. Joyce would pressure Usyk, but that doesn't mean that he would find him. Usyk much faster on his feet and more mobile. He would have Joyce reaching and turning all night.


PJT76

AJ pressured Usyk? Man, I’ll have to watch that again…


CacoFlaco

You do that. Pressure came off once Usyk whacked him hard early. But in the 8th and 9th rounds, Joshua was all over the champion. But it's hard to keep the pressure on when your getting hurt coming in. Joyce would be harder to discourage because he has a better chin than Joshua. He also has slower feet and would have a world of trouble keeping up with Usyk.


GrapplerBakii

He wasn't all over Usyk in round 9. He was throwing sloppy punches and missing...


CacoFlaco

Of course. Of course. Missing missing missing. And backing Usyk up and on the run. If Joshua wasn't terrified of taking punches in return, he'd still be heavyweight champion.


GrapplerBakii

"On the run" or boxing intelligently and making AJ waste his stamina so Usyk can annihilate him in punch output in the later rounds. Your take is dog shit lol


TheFlexigon

The Gypsy King will obviously fight Joyce, as long as he immediately signs the contract he sent over two minutes ago. Otherwise, he's fighting Manuel Charr, just like the fans want!


TartenWilton101

Joyce fought last week.. You really think after that fight he's going to be fine for december the 3rd biggest fight of his life? Don't understand why people are even talking about Joyce vs Fury like it's plausible at this moment! Yes it's a fight we want to see but give the lad a chance why would Warren want to put him in fairly short notice against someone on his own promotion? Pathetic move from everyone involved right now.. But yeah let's look at what the fans want rather than the business and health of the fighters(mainly Joyce)


thedogstays

Joyce himself said he’s fine fighting Fury or AJ in mid-late December.


TartenWilton101

I know but Fury has given his dates he's got booked fighting and neither is mid to late December IIRC


Mankindisblind

It's a joke bruv chill


No_Cardiologist_797

Because Joyce is also under Queensbury and I image Warren wants Joyce to be in the best possible position to pick up the belts after Fury retires for real after (if he can) unifies


dennyk91

Joyce is old though. Best just makes the fights now.


0JS

AJ - Arreola is such a mismatch, why doesn't AJ fight Wilder, Zhang or Joyce?


Chiphazzard

Joshua isn’t the wbc champion or a champion at all for that matter. Arreola is a gatekeeper at this point, still levels above Charr though.


chetdesmon

Wilder has a fight, and I can forgive the guy coming off two straight losses with no belts for taking a tune up fight over the guy who claims to the best of a generation snd P4P #1


bozzi16

AJ is off back to back losses and isn’t a world champion anymore. Arreola is still levels above Charr. Even still there’s no defending AJ fighting Arreola but it’s still a far harder fight than Charr and Fury should be fighting higher quality opponents than AJ in their next fights tbh


gumshield45

Is he even fighting Chris Arreola? That source was just a random Twitter account that posts boxing memes


bozzi16

No idea but that’s the only name that’s been mentioned, there’s obvious zhang fight and others though but it won’t be a name worse than Arreola I don’t think


Joe_Rogan_is_a_Dwarf

Yeah AJ NEEDS to fight Christopher Lovejoy, he was giving Charr FITS before he got injured and was undefeated. It will show Fury “what you can do I can do better”.


bH00k

Would like to see Areola - Chisora fight.


lineal_chump

Strange that it's easier for Hearn to arrange fights with someone not under contract with him than someone who is.


Bobo_Balde2

He is full of 💩


TartenWilton101

Love how people only just notice who Joe Joyce is after his recent win like he wasn't always destined to be at the top.


aceknighthigh

I mean, we'll be able to say the same of whoever Fury fights next...why not do AJ vs Joyce. I'm sure Warren would let Joyce fight on a Matchroom broadcast, so no excuses about contractual obligations and other bs. ​ I think Joyce is gonna have a tough time getting fights. People are gonna wait until he's 40 and washed.


Zoomerwaff

Eddie Hearn sucks. Don’t sit on a fight offer from fury then criticize his other options.


ramsee

Says the guy who's feeding Arreola to AJ.


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GarlVinland4Astrea

Exactly, this isn't rocket science. Fury's camp is looking towards Usyk. They aren't taking any risks until that fight. And honestly, that's the fight to make in the division so nobody really should be complaining about that. It was already weird that he was entertaining fighting the guy who just lost twice to Usyk before fighting Usyk.


robjapan

Why doesnt he? Because Joyce might just beat him, that's why.


friendswithcocaine

Hold your horses. No ones beating Fury, that’s for damn sure.


robjapan

Wilder almost did... Twice... And wilder can't box. Can fury ko Joyce? No. Can fury outbox Joyce? Maybe. "no way" is just not true.


JonnyArtois

Wilder, is that you?


robjapan

Considering I'm 175cm, weight 75kg, am white, from England and have never boxed in my life? No. Not wilder lol


TheDirtyDorito

Hmmm, I've seen these kind of transformation pictures before, I'm not convinced


robjapan

Lmao


free2game

Lmao this is fucking insane.


Saedeet

Well it's true that Fury can't KO Joyce. Is he able to outbox Joyce? More than likely, but saying "maybe" is still in that category. Fury should be able to outbox him, but when he doesn't take the fight he might not be able to.


FBoyMcGee

Why? Do you think Wilder can box?


free2game

Can fury ko Joyce? No. Fury can ko everyone. He's a big hw. Any hw can knock someone out. Can fury outbox Joyce? Maybe. He's faster and a better technical boxer. This recency bias is silly.


FBoyMcGee

Ah yes noted knockout artist Tyson Fury. If anyone's judgment is clouded by recency bias it's you.


free2game

You would use recency bias in that context. How many Kos and tkos has fury had in his past 5 fights?


FBoyMcGee

So wait you want to prove that your opinion isn't recency bias by asking me a question about recent fights?


missedpenalty

It’s not the same thing is it. You’re getting confused


robjapan

You need to check yourself.


friendswithcocaine

Wilder would beat anyone other than Fury.


robjapan

I don't think wilder beats aj or usyk or Joyce.... He can't box.... All he's got is a wild right that only lands by Fury's admission "because I got reckless"


friendswithcocaine

You don’t think he beats that big, stiff idiot?


Major-Yellow-812

No wilder does not beat the juggernaut joe Joyce P.s. this is coming from a wilder fanboy, unless he gets him stunned and the ref stops it by TKO.


robjapan

I'm not saying yes or no either way, I just think there's a chance.


A1_PunisherPipkins

Wilder is the big stiff idiot. Joe has great footwork.


Shreedac

lol are you Tyson fury or just a man who has no thoughts of his own and only parrots Tyson fury?


westernplayed

Not sure why you getting down voted this much lol. I wouldn't say it's an unreasonable statement


YorkshireRosebud

Definitely living up to that username


xychosis

Hypocritical coming from someone arranging AJ-Arreola, imo


myurr

AJ isn't a champion, and Arreola is at least better than Charr even if it is a mismatch to someone of AJ's level. Go watch Charr's fight against Povetkin and tell me how he deserves to be in the ring with anyone in the top 10. And that was back when he was in his prime and before his hip replacement. By December 3rd Fury will have been a title belt holder for 1,334 days and in that time will have defended against Wilder, who he had to be forced to fight by the courts, and Whyte - durable but a pretty flawed fighter for someone of Fury's talent. He's planning to add Charr to that list of title defences, only his 3rd defence in 3 years 8 months. Yet people are defending him and trying to draw equivalence with AJ... In the 1,148 days after Joshua beat Martin for the IBF title he defended against Breazeale, Molina, Klitschko, Takam, Parker, Povetkin, and Ruiz.


GarlVinland4Astrea

More overrating of AJ's resume. A year and a half ago you and the rest of the AJ squad would have had Whyte on that list and would have made him out to be the center piece. Klitchko was washed and coming off a two year layoff when AJ fought him. Wilder beat Molina 2 fights before AJ and all of AJ's fans were screaming that "Wilder never fought anybody at the time". AJ LOST to Ruiz and then beat him in the rematch. At best that's a wash. At worst it's a net a negative since he could only beat a fat out of shape Ruiz who was cashing in. Takam isn't anything special, he loses to guys like Whyte and Chisora and only beats mid tier guys that nobody cares about. I don't even know why anybody would list Takam, he literally loses to anybody relevant. Breazeale is the exact same. He padded his win loss column and as soon as he started fighting contenders he started losing to them. He lost to Wallin who people still shit on Fury for fighting. He lost to Wilder again at a time when all of AJ's fans were screaming about Wilder having a shit resume. Parker and Povetkin are the guys boost AJ's resume imo that it's hard to criticize. The Wlad that Fury fought was better and still viewed as the top guy in the division when Fury fought him. Wilder is leagues ahead of the rest of AJ's resume and Fury fought him 3 times and most people would argue he won all 3. But at worst he never lost to Wilder and beat him twice. Then Whyte who used to be the gem of AJ's resume if you think that matters. Anyways the best fighters in the division since AJ became champ are \-Fury (AJ can't make a fight with him) \-Wilder (AJ can't make a fight with him) \-Usyk (AJ lost to him twice) \-Ruiz (AJ lost to him and then beat him in a rematch when he was fat and out of shape) \-Joyce (just recently got in the picture but he's been around long enough for AJ to have fought him as champ and AJ's manager is screaming that someone else should fight Joyce instead). You could legitimately argue that outside of AJ, you would need to go outside the top 5 ranked heavyweights to find a guy that AJ has both fought and has a winning record against.


bigOofTheta

Lol the AJ hate is getting out of hand. AJ beat most of the top guys when they were the top guys. Just because the landscape has changed a bit now doesn’t take away from his previous wins. Anyways, AJ should take a step down. He’s no longer a champion, has switched trainers and is coming off 2 back to back losses. If there’s anytime to take a step down to rebuild and work on meshing with a trainer/improving, its now. Maybe he should wheel out Tom Schwartz or Pianetta since Arreola is too much of a mismatch, yeah? This would be AJs first time fighting someone out of the top 10 in God knows how long, the hate this guy gets and the expectations on him are ridiculous.


PawnStreetBlues

If AJ loses to Arreola he’s finished


GarlVinland4Astrea

AJ stans will somehow still do the mental gymnastics to convince everyone he is still a draw.


fuckthewholeroster

In what world is AJ not a draw lmfao


GarlVinland4Astrea

In the world where you having reading context where an AJ who loses to Arreola and goes 2-4 probably won't be much of a draw anymore. I know to expect that much from people on this sub so I apologize if it confused you so much


fuckthewholeroster

Shit this one is on me. I read over the word IF lol.


GarlVinland4Astrea

It's okay. I am all forgiving and I forgive you.


RedstripeRhapsodyHP

There are no gymnastics required. If he isn’t a draw then there are no draws in the sport. Guarantee even if he lost that fight he’d do better numbers than all but a handful of active guys.


DogDaze76

Because he isn't interested in taking a risk.


Ruruffian

Joyce might be the hardest nights work out there for Fury. A big unit with an unreal workrate plus a granite chin. Fury would be looking for the Dr steelhammer 1 2 clinch all night long. No way is he able to dance around Joyce for 12. It would not be a pretty fight.


-503-

yeah and you go fight arreola


drpvn

Definition of chronic **1a** : continuing or occurring again and again for a long time *chronic indigestion chronic experiments* **b** : suffering from a chronic disease *the special needs of chronic patients* **2a** : always present or encountered *especially* : constantly vexing, weakening, or troubling *chronic petty warfare chronic meddling in one another’s domestic affairs* **b** : being such habitually *a chronic grumbler*


robust_syrup

chronic adjective (BAD) **UK informal** very bad: *The acting was chronic.*


drpvn

You gave us this language. It’s a shame what you’ve let it come to!


Slampumpthejam

British accents became a thing because they just got lazy and stopped bothering to enunciate half the sentence(that's my head cannon) Edit lol you guys really got butthurt about this? Fucking sad


robust_syrup

> cannon Is this an American spelling?


Slampumpthejam

Lol oops good catch


CesarTheGeezer

Actually you find more accents the closer you get to the source of a language..


Slampumpthejam

Was a joke innit :)


CesarTheGeezer

Interestingly American English is actually closer to old English than UK English. This is partly because the closer you get to the source of a language the more accents and changes you find.


SharksFanAbroad

Don’t even get me started on the abomination that is a Scottish accent. How are we even speaking the same language?


shal9pinanatoly

Funny thing though. I am Russian and we study English in our schools. I had straight As and was at the top of my class, reading and even watching undubbed movies. Then, when I was about 12, me and a couple of my classmates went on a trip to England to study English there. And I couldn’t understand what people were saying, either in person or on TV. I was absolutely shocked. I still was the best in class when it came to reading, writing and talking, even ended up studying with older kids, but I couldn’t understand shit. A week passes by and I hear someone talking on TV whom I understand word for word. I was very happy and took a look at the screen. It was sir Sean fucking Connery of all people.


robust_syrup

Well spoken Scots are very clear and a pleasure to listen to. They don’t all sound like Spud from Trainspotting.


Gilius-thunderhead_

Yae sure boot that? Oor accents urnae sae tough tae unnerstan wen yiv bided here fir a long time. Noo away an boil yer heed ya wee fanny.


TartenWilton101

Some many people on this sub thinking you're illiterate.. I'm northern English and I read that easier than the lord of the rings books.


Gilius-thunderhead_

I'm Scottish but was obviously taking the piss. I've taken some liberties tbh with that haha, it's a mix of auld Scots, dialect and aberdonian.


drpvn

My favorite Scots accent is the guy from Naked.


WinglessRat

dinnae no


orsom_smelles

>1a : continuing or occurring again and again for a long time Wallin, Schwartz, Pianeta, Seferi... 🤷‍♂️


Fantastic-Cold2455

Because fury isn’t interested in his legacy but easy paydays if he gets Joyce and Usyk on his resume then it would be hard to argue he isn’t a top 5 heavyweight


Beargeist

because he wants a tune up.. and he thought Joshua was a tune up (+payday)


chetdesmon

Why the hell does Fury need a tune up every other fight?


Beargeist

because he wants to go into the big money fight healthy... ala. Usyk not being able to take the fight yet. i'm sure there were match ups where he was singularly focused on getting fights in as the champ. But you can't fault him for this one. The big fight is on hold because of health issues, and he wants to stay sharp... nothing more.


chetdesmon

I absolutely can and will fault him for this. There are plenty of fighters that offer more than Mahmoud Charr. Joshua never "focused on getting fights in" as the champ against that type of opposition. I cannot believe there are people defending this behaviour. Fury has a terrible resume and this is why, he refuses to consistently fight the best opposition avilable.


Beargeist

No one is talking about joshua as a legacy fight... or anyone else. Its Usyk v Fury. It's fury's job to make sure that in 8 months he brings everything on that night I agree, if your trying to create interest, you have to build by beating "the best available". In this case, the interest is already built, the best will be decided.


chetdesmon

Fury has less than a handful of elite names on his resume. You can't be considered the best of your generation when you don't consistently fight the best of your generation. It remains to be seem whether the Usyk fight even happens, and either way, it's ridiculous that Fury is given credit for hypothetical wins despite rarely fighting top competition especially in such a weak era. Klitschko was in a weak era but he consistently beat the best available over 10 years.


Beargeist

Joe Joyce would be the best available... and he's not going to get "credit for beating joe Joyce", anymore than Joyce is going to be talked about as a top 2 fighter. Its not hypothetical that Joshua is a step below fury. And Joyce can step up his proven level of competition without a fury/usyk fight. cry foul when the fight doesn't happen, not before. Joyce is number #3 by eye test only. And has no place jumping the line before that fight happens. this is one of the only circumstances when a tune up/ exhibition/ keep busy fight is a respectable option.


chetdesmon

It absolutely is hypothetical that anybody is a step below Fury until the fight actually happens. Fury was supposed to be a step below Klitschko until the fight happened. I'm crying foul at Fury claiming to be the greatest of all time while padding his record with the likes of Mahmoud Charr and Tom Schwarz. You say Joyce has no place "jumping the line" but Charr does? Where is the logic? When Joshua took a "tune-up" fight after the 2nd Ruiz fight he fought Pulev, not a great opponent by any means but miles better than the likes of Charr. It's funny how people will claim Floyd cherry picked opponents when he fought Hall of Famers consecutively throughout the latter half of his career but Fury apparently gets a pass with 4 elite names on his resume. Ridiculous.


Beargeist

Like Floyd, Fury would be far from the first to overstate his place among the all time greats... its kinda part of the job description. Charr was selected, hand picked. Charr isn't jumping, he hasn't made himself un-deniable as a challenger.. The logic is that Joyce hasn't either, in light of the circumstances. No one is calling this next bout anything but activity before Usyk.


chetdesmon

The difference is Floyd's ego is warranted... his resume speaks for itself. So does Fury's, bur not in a positive manner. Charr being hand picked is what makes this so embarassing, like how are you actually defending this? Get Fury's nuts out of your mouth. A top P4P fighter should not be hand picking a fighter like Charr no matter what the circumstances. If anyone else did it they'd be getting crucified. "Activity" doesnt mean you fight a bum, Joshua or Klitschko ever took a "get busy" fight against the likes of Charr when far better competition was available.


GarlVinland4Astrea

Because look at the timeline. Fury was set to fight AJ for undisputed and then the arbitration ruled against him so he had to fight Wilder. So Fury was set to fight Wilder in Oct. AJ was put in a mandatory vs Usyk who most people viewed as skilled but probably too undersized to win. Fury takes care of business vs Wilder. That frees him up. AJ loses to Usyk. Fury sets up a fight with Whyte in April because AJ invoked his rematch clause vs Usyk which tied that up. For whatever reason AJ and Usyk take 11 months to get their rematch off the ground. Immediately after that Usyk comes out (in August) and says he's not going to start looking at fighting again until 2023. So now instead of a late 2022 undisputed fight, we are looking at an early to mid 2023 undisputed fight which gives Fury a layoff of a year. So Fury is looking at a December fight in the meanwhile. I don't know how people can just ignore what actually happened and the timelines. It's really not Fury's problem AJ and Usyk took 11 months for a rematch and then Usyk said he wouldn't even start negotiating a new fight until 3-4 months after that rematch into next year when a fight would happen god knows when. Yes part of that is the war and it isn't all Usyk/AJ's sides fault. But it's also not Fury's either. Like it was reasonable to assume "okay AJ and Usyk will have a rematch from a September fight, that will probably happen in early 2022, I'll fight Whyte in April, then we can have an undsputed fight at the end of the summer or fall." Then when the rematch gets set for August you still think "okay well I just fought in April, but maybe afterwards Aug to late December or early January isn't crazy". But now we are at a point where Usyk is making it seem like he won't even look at negotiating until January.


chetdesmon

Nobody is ignoring any timeline. None of what you said changes the fact that he's fighting Mahmoud Charr. He could fight Ruiz, Joyce, Hrgovic, even Ortiz instead. When you're already talking about retirement with such a weak resume you'd think you'd at least want to beat the best opponents available.


DistanceAlone6215

AJ is ducking Fury Why does Hearn keep saying, we cant sign because of commercial interests? Either make the fight or dont


myurr

Because *both* Fury and AJ have deals in place already for the broadcast of their fights, and those contracts aren't compatible with each other. You need those contract holders to come together and negotiate a solution which can take a few weeks. Those negotiations started last Monday and Fury has already called time on them, apparently against the advice of his team if they're still trying to persuade him to be patient. This is on Fury for not allowing the negotiations to take place.


Zoomerwaff

It’s not due to broadcasting rights, all threee broadcasting companies agreed to a split according the Eddie its “their contractual obligations that he worries about violating of aj signs right now. But then Eddie comes out and says this crap. Eddie doesn’t want the fight to happen and it’s just retry clear to anyone looking at it honestly.


doublejay1999

Like AJ v Ruiz


iCatmire

Charr by KO then


Capitalsteezxxx

I thought the whole point of Fury un-retiring was to fight Usyk. Then he doesn’t do that so he fights AJ. Now he’s fighting Charr which may then turn into Joe Joyce. Lame


Jamjamjamh

Because fury has the WBC and Joyce isn't even ranked the top 15 of the WBC rankings. So it's a risk of a fight for fury for no reason.


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Jamjamjamh

But he isn't, as he hasn't fought any WBC ranked boxers. So what if he did that to parker, it paid dividends in the wbo rankings as parker was ranked highly there and now he's number 1. It doesn't devalue the WBC there are boxers not ranked very high in lots of the organisations. Joycenis number one for usyks wbo belt now so you should be saying why isn't usyk fighting him rather than fury? I agree though the whole organisations thing makes it difficult I've always said they should have divisions of 8 with relegations and promotions. All 8 fighters don't fight each other they are drawn against in a tournament style then the 4 losersnof the first round fight to stay in the division. Then up and coming pros in division 5 for example will steadily go up the levels and peoples 0 won't matter at all and you are guaranteed to see 2 or 3 fights a year from each boxer.


ConsiderationOdd6009

He's giving the fans what they want!


Ok-Control-9284

Lol here is your ATG???


Danji1

Why would he bother? What does Joyce bring to the table?


russian_hackers

he brings a lot more than mahmoud fucking charr


Easton1234

I may have missed something here, but why aren’t they trying to make the unification fight with Usyck? I thought it was weird they started negotiating with AJ when I hadn’t heard anything about a Usyck fight.. can someone fill me in why that seemingly isn’t even trying to be worked out?


Liquor_D_Spliff

Usyk is injured atm.


Maximum_77

This did remind me of another fight balked at for being a mismatch when Fury faced unknown Otto Wallin. Someone here noted Wallin didn't even have a publicity photo at the time. It was very very close to a Wallin KO (cut stoppage) and Fury had to throw weight and size for hang on for his life to squeak out a few rounds decision. That said, I wouldn't mind if boxing orgs threw some of their weight around too. IF the WBC champion avoids the #1 challenger (Joyce by Fury's ranking) and instead takes on 30th ranked fighters then at some point they have to demote him.


TheBlack_Swordsman

What about Usyk?