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Gamera85

No one claims 98 doesn't ever fight the military. The issue is he fights defensively. He pulls ambush tactics. He runs and hides. He cannot take a hit. He flees every time he smells something wrong. And all in the service of making the US Military look good... while also making them look like utter bufoons at the same time. Zilla is not an unstoppable monster juggernaut, he's a wild animal acting like a wild animal. That's fine for a standard creature feature, not for a Godzilla movie. 98 does not humble humanity towards its mistakes like the original movie did. It's meant to make us feel good about how we can subjugate the consequences of our actions and never have to think about them ever again. Even the 2014 film did better on that front.


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DiskReal6825

1998 was a different story and in fact is more like the beast from 20,000 fathoms. Godzilla was probably used to make more people come see it


grandxmammoth

Heisei Godzilla melted down Destroyah (oxygen destroyer monster) didn't kill godzilla, but did kill godzilla junior


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grandxmammoth

No big deal just figured I'd let you know in case you where new or like you said haven't seen it in awhile. I haven't seen spacegodzilla in awhile lol


JediSpectre117

I'm going to go with the issue being America's attitude before and after 9/11. Before America felt invincible, nothing could stop them, they were the world police. 9/11 humbled them. After film and shows, well not so unstoppable, Linsay Ellise did a vid on this comparing Independence day to War of the Worlds (2005) I was probably too young to get this impression but does seem to be the opinion of, over 40s folks now, where I live. The "9/11 humbled them" comes from my Grandma That combined with a director that seems to love the US (or did) chances were the US wouldn't even loose to legenderies big guy or even Shin's.


Gamera85

That's probably a bit much, not unwarranted, but maybe too deep a read. Godzilla 98 isn't really about America's place in the world as a superpower. Independence Day is directly invoking patriotic iconography, but it's not the same with Godzilla 98. That movie is more specifically harkening back to 1950s sci-fi. If you really want to analyze it I feel you have to go there for direct comparissons. If there is something to be said about Godzilla 98 as it relates to America's psyche and the position of Roland Emmerich on the subject, it's about the military. Godzilla is no longer a product of American nuclear testing but French. And it's their actions that create consequences for American citizens. And their spec ops team covers up this little factoid and more or less avoids political blowback for their government, the fact remains the blame rests on their shoulders primarily. America, more specifically its military, is allowed to be blameless. So when they kill Godzilla in the movie it's a pure outright victory. And it's very clear that the DoD likely green lit the film for military assistance based on that alone. People have a misconception about Hollywood and the Military frankly. They don't fund movies, they give them discounts on using their stuff cause they own all the copyrights to everything. They won't give assistance to a film that is bad mouthing them. So Godzilla being the byproduct of their nuclear weapons tests from the 50s getting their own citizens killed is a no no. Ironically, people's reactions to Godzilla being killed in the movie is what would convince the DoD years later to strongly suggest altering the script of Jurassic Park 3 so a sequence involving the pterosaurs attacking the Marine Helicopters would be removed. Because the Military didn't want to look like bullies this time around, they asked for the final battle to be removed and to just have the Marines secure the area and everything. if there is anything to be said about Godzilla 98 in relation to all of this it's that Emmerich wanted people to feel good. That the big monster would die, the army could handle it and that they'd weather any storm with resolve and courage. Just like the monster movies of the 50s. Everything would have an unambigous happy ending. With maybe a "'?" tagged on to tease a sequel.


JediSpectre117

I like this take


Queen-of-Sharks

To be fair, Shin is fodder to NGL.


DragonMage2002

This is why I didn't like the film. Didn't feel like Godzilla. Didn't recognize it as Godzilla. I liked the show.


Zer0thehero89

98’s a bitch.


Beizal

Hard disagree. The whole reason why the French People were in the movie was because they made the mistake of making Godzilla, so they're trying to stop him. It's actually a really well done story I'd say and the first 30 mins is pretty much like the original Gojira Film with the Boats Sinking and all


Gamera85

They aren't trying to fix their mistake, they are there to cover it up. And frankly, I would not call the 98 film's story "good" in any capacity. It is a cliche ridden, plot hole filled mess of bad characters and even worse dialogue. And while that doesn't neccessarily doom it, elements of those thing make it tedious to watch whereas other Godzilla films are far more engaging. And sorry, a few minutes of recognizable homages does NOT a respectful fun movie make. Not for me and not for a lot of people.


Beizal

Eh, Godzilla 1998 is "overhated", it's a very different take for Godzilla sure but Godzilla has always been different ever since 1954, remember in The Showa Timeline he became a Destroyer, to Anti Hero to Hero in just 1 timeline, let's also not forget that he had different powers like flying and being magnet. And look what Toho is doing now with Godzilla and the other Monsters, making them different than Before. You can't tell me that Shin Godzilla was a traditional G Film because it really wasn't, Godzilla looked very different and had new powers that we've never seen before, the entire movie was focused on Politics which yes are focused in other G Films but not like how Shin did it. Lets not forget The Anime Trilogy where Godzilla is part plant and Godzilla Singular Point where Godzilla is from another Universe


Gamera85

It is overhated, that does not mean none of the hate is justified. Godzilla has had different takes, that's not the problem. The problem is how the changes here exist purely to remove various important elements from Godzilla to reduce him down to what amounts to a giant pest running around a city that is more annoyance than actual threat. The fact it's a different take isn't an excuse nor is it a defense. Being different in and of itself will not make a film if the results make it a lesser idea than previous films. The difference between 98 and those movies is that Godzilla in those films is still something you can't just shoot to death with enough missiles and American steel. Just because Shin Godzilla wasn't traditional isn't what made it good. In the same vein, people didn't hate the Anime Trilogy because it was different, they disliked it because it didn't deliver on key milestones a lot of fans felt were promised and what they got instead was not entirely satisfying. 98 promised a Godzilla movie made by Hollywood, we got a retread of Beast from 20,000 Fathoms. It's not that it's different, it's that it's not Godzilla.


Beizal

Well it IS Godzilla and it always will be no matter what people say, I don't see it as different than other G Film, it's still about a giant radioactive monster that destroys a city and fights the military, in alot of Godzilla Films the humans win, this is no different in 98. The original Gojira git defeated by 1 guy with a small device and thats a masterpiece of a film


Gamera85

If that is your definition for a Godzilla movie, we might as well add THEM!, It Came From Beneath the Sea and a host of other radioactive monster movies from the 50s that humanity's military eventually had to defeat. The equivalence between 98 and Gojira is stunningly vast. Namely, said weapon was an experimental impossibly ridiculous sci-fi bomb that kills oxygen in water. Said man was its creator who used it and then killed himself to prevent another dangerous weapon similar to that which helped create Godzilla be released into the world. 98's Godzilla has the monster get stuck in a bridge and then shot to death with conventional missiles. It's not even close to the same in terms of thematic weight, pathos or method. You're grasping at straws here. Regardless, Godzilla being beaten is hardly the problem, it's how inconsequential his defeat is. In every other movie it requires tremendous sacrifice, even ridiculous amounts of planning, teamwork and various close calls that almost ruin the whole deal. Here, they not only get lucky, but as soon as Zilla is caught it's basically over. He doesn't break free, he doesn't force them to think of a new strategy, he is trapped until enough missiles hit him. That's not Godzilla, sorry. You can like this movie fine, but false equivalences aren't going to convince me to change my mind on this thing. I avoid watching this movie, not because I outright hate it, but because it is a massive disappointment to me. And frankly, it does not really deserve that much in the way of a re-evaluation. It's not a good film, it's not a travesty or a garbage pile, no. But good is stretching it. And I understand this mentality of yours, believe me I do when it comes to movies. I love a lot of things that mainstream critics and audiences seem to despise to a degree I find unreasonable. But even in those cases I do my best to recognize that their problems aren't invalid just because I disagree with them. There is a reason people went after this movie and why it's still not good in their eyes. It gets too much wrong and it ultimately cannot hold itself together in the end.


willial0321

The fact that Zilla is a wild animal makes me wish I could have seen him as an opponent to Godzilla in a proper movie even more.


Feramah

Yeah but 98 is still a better monster movie than 2014


SnooBananas3995

No way


Feramah

Yes way. Even AVGN and others agree.


SnooBananas3995

The whole world doesn’t agree. The new Godzilla series is a success


Gamera85

It is not. In any conceivable way 98 is not a better monster movie. It simply isn't.


L2Push

The 98 was probably better than the recent trilogy just for being an actually fun film.


Gamera85

Yeah no. Just no. 98 is not an objectively funner movie than the monsterverse Godzilla movies. Just no.


L2Push

Oh look it's the big monkey let's follow this for the whole film. Nah.


jakedlucky777

Imma be that guy...she


Gamera85

Ok, here we go. Zilla is not a she. The ability to produce eggs does not make them a she. The movie specifically states that he reproduces Asexually. That does not preclude sexuality, the ability to reproduce asexually would not label the animal as a female in and of itself.


jakedlucky777

It may have been a while but I thought they called it she throughout the whole movie? Also there is a lizard species irl that is all female but reproduces a asexually. So my thoughts come frome they use that one as inspiration.


Gamera85

They did not, they repeatedly call it a he. Even when they first discover it Nick declares "He's pregnant" and "Not if he reproduces Asexually." Regardless, reproduction in nature is not nearly as cut and dry as we like to think. Our gender concepts have no meaning in the animal kingdom. As evidenced by frogs being able to alter their sex and with biology that would be alien to us, a Hyena's penile clitoris for example. Some even have genetic capabilities that defy our understanding, like the Komodo Dragon's ability to alter itself genetically in smaller populations to prevent birth defects from incestual coupling. My point being, it's not so easy to declare something as strictly one thing or another within the animal kingdom based purely on our distinction/understanding of human biology.


RazgrizS57

I wish they leaned more into showing off the humanoid aspects of 98's design. Instead of lurching forward and swatting them like this, imagine if he shot his arm out and grabbed one, crushing it in his hand. Or if he reared up and stood vertically like a human to reach the top of a building and pull himself up. That kind of uncanniness could've given 98 a slightly horror-esque direction, making it more unique than the kind of bog standard disaster movies of the time. But I guess that wouldn't have been mainstream or 'safe'.


CesarGameBoy

Rolland Emrick just wanted to make another disaster movie. So I have no idea why the hell he signed up to make a Godzilla movie if he purposely designed “Godzilla” to be nothing like the unstoppable force of nature we know him as.


AlexzMercier97

Unfortunately this is one of the only few times Zilla98 fights back :(


FenrirHere

Hits the helicopters blatantly facing the wrong direction and don't hear the giant lumbering iguana lol


Vanquisher1000

Can a pilot even hear anything coming from outside their aircraft?


FenrirHere

It depends what it is. They would definitely hear the rumbling of a giant iguana.


Vanquisher1000

This is video recorded inside an Apache cockpit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P76AamM9kXw You can hear a *lot* of engine and rotor noise. That's why the crew need to have their communications integrated into their helmets; they wouldn't be able to hear anything otherwise. Under those circumstances, the crew *might* be able to hear a Zilla roar if it was close. They wouldn't hear stomping because it would be drowned out by the engine noise.


FenrirHere

They'd be using radar to detect Zilla too. Or any other set of variables that would make it possible to detect Zilla, and avoid it striking. Especially when it has no atomic breath.


phunnieone

But didn't they have a reason they couldn't detect Zilla?


twdevil

Zilla was too cold for their heatseeking missiles, and to an extent their radars stopped being able to accurately track him due to the same reason, because somehow their radars were also based on heat. Not saying it makes sense, just saying Zilla could control his body temperature to sneak around, arguably one of the only cool things the dude has going for him


phunnieone

So I'm correct?


twdevil

You are indeed, it just seemed like both you and the guy you were talking to didn't recall what exactly was going on here, so I figured I'd give my two cents to the conversation, considering I watched this movie an ungodly amount of times as a kid, so I kinda remember the whole thing quite vividly


FenrirHere

Yes, it's been far too long since I last watched Zilla. So thank you for correcting and recalling that.


phunnieone

Thank you


FenrirHere

I'm not sure if I understand what you are asking.


phunnieone

Me ether, never watched the movie but I think I heard wikizilla say it one time


Yahspetsnaz

There were literally so many helicopters I that narrow street that he couldn't possibly move without accidentally hitting one.


Polite_Werewolf

That scene has not aged well.


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He did fight them... The only difference is that he lost.


Gojicustoms

And he did sneak attacks.


Krosis_the_bored

Like a true skyrim player


Hushed_Horace

Dies from missiles. Weakest Godzilla still lol.


Yahspetsnaz

After getting stuck on a bridge. Godzilla seemingly gets bigger and stronger with each incarnation, but even the first knocked over a bridge no problem and shrugged off air-to-ground missiles.


drainisbamaged

Not Godzilla. This was Zilla the sneaky chicken Kaiju.


TwilightDoomSlayer

Take my upvote


TheKaijucifer

It is Godzilla. Zilla didn't appear until 2004. Copyright deems it so.


InsaneLeader13

Toho would disagree with this, and I wouldn't exactly be hyped to disagree with them.


TheKaijucifer

It was literally their decision. They acknowledge it as a Godzilla? What are you guys smoking lol Inb4 down voted to hell because reddit


HavocXL

Dude even Toho will say “that’s Zilla, not Godzilla”, you know damn well this isn’t Godzilla


TheKaijucifer

This is false. The 1998 version of Godzilla is still, legally, according to Toho and Copyright, still Godzilla. Wikizilla is your friend.


Brother_Morr

Okay, Final Wars calls that Kaiju Zilla. And was only included so the director could show Godzilla murdering the crap outta it. Literally his words.


TheKaijucifer

Any usage of the design after 2003 is considered Zilla. Before that, all Godzilla. Or, did you forget that the 1998 movie and a animated series getting blurays not titled Zilla and Zilla: The Animated Series? You guys telling me things I've already known. Been here done this. I was on your side once until someone showed me the hard facts. I don't go against facts.


Brother_Morr

Not at all, but Tho has gone on record as state they Retconned it as not being Godzilla. Which is also a fact


asskickinchickin

Those are absolutely not his words. Kitamura has literally stated that he enjoys G98 and that the battle was only short because he was a fairly last-minute inclusion.


HavocXL

Legally doesn’t matter dude, Toho literally made 3 movies where they said “remember 1998? Yeah that’s not Godzilla” shit that was the whole reason the Millennium series exists. Idgaf about “copyright”, it’s Zilla now wether you like it or not.


TheKaijucifer

You realize that if it mattered that much, Toho wouldn't have approved the movie and just cancelled the agreement altogether right? They saw what the design would look like and went ahead and let Emmerich make the movie regardless because they wanted fat stacks. What toho wants doesn't matter. They leased out the license, and only after the movie bombs do they start sitting on it even though they shot themselves in the foot by approving it in the first place. For a company that is so serious about Godzilla, they must not be that serious if they're willing to let people do anything with the right price. Just look at what Anno got away with. Made a shit ton of money and Toho shut the hell up and made it their mascot because money. Then the two mediocre anime versions. You'd be a fool to think just because Toho made a the, (in my opinion) best series following 1998 that must mean they truly care about the character's depictions. The truth is they only want Godzilla to be like a Godzilla that they know will make money. Which is why they're trying to make sure the MV Godzilla is as soulless as the last three Toho Godzillas we've gotten, because Shin = Big Bucks. Never mind the fact tha5 every previous Godzilla has had some ability to show emotion and you can easily tell what he's thinking prior to Toho's newfound obsession with Shin types.


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TheKaijucifer

And even if so, they've had the license for 6 years due to development hell. The first warning sign. It isn't the first time Hollywood got the rights and did nothing. Happened in the 80s too. At first look they should have said "Kore wa nan desu ka?" And shut that shit down. https://wikizilla.org/wiki/Godzilla_misconceptions#Godzilla_1998.2FZilla_name_controversy


HavocXL

That happens a lot, way more than you think. Guess how long a Black Widow film has been in development, since 2006 and non stop until it’s 2021 release. Look it up. Development hell is practically natural at this point when it comes to rights of big characters and franchises being transferred, also took 2014 about 6 years to be made. It’s called making a big movie, shits kind of hard.


drainisbamaged

Copyright doesn't define Kaijus in my household. That sneaky scaredy T-Rex wishing chicken isn't no Godzilla. Heck the US military beats it! Can you imagine the franchise if in the very first B&W movie Godzilla tangles up in a bridge and gets killed by regular military planes? It would have gotten as much love as Zilla there did, which is a justified not much.


TheKaijucifer

It's been 23 years. Move the fuck on. We've gotten, since then, a Bearcodile Godzilla, a giant scorched turd, a walking tree, and a fucking multi-dimensional apocalyptic event given a physical form. Godzilla can be anything anymore, conpared to all that, Godzilla dying to a dozen missiles is tame as fuck. Stop comparing radically different takes to the genre starting original. That's literally apples and oranges. How would you like it if I simplified the original Godzilla's death to "atomic leviathan shrugs off nuclear bombs but dies to some fizzy water with a chemical that removes oxygen" It doesn't matter how. The 1998 Godzilla is drastically overhated. Meanwhile A Space Godzilla is a thing that exists where Godzilla, now female and named Rozan, contracts a fatal case of the diabetus and is turned into a rocket and sent out to Space where she fights a weird green alien monster with honkers and rips out her eyeballs to throw and use as Cosmic grenades. Or how a idea for a 50s Godzilla sequel would be Godzilla being killed by a giant robot women who would fuck him and then blow him and his home full of other monsters up? Some wacky shit has happened and almost happened in Godzilla over the decades. It's time to let 1998 be itself and let Zilla be itself. And I don't care how many downvotes I get, I'm tired of the hate for a movie that came out only a few months after I was fuckin born.


SanjiSasuke

People aren't just gonna stop thinking the movie is trash just because its old, lol. Its a terrible representation of Godzilla. And some people, not me, think it still managed to be a good kaiju movie, hence people who like Zilla, but even most of them admit its a bad *God*zilla movie.


TheKaijucifer

Idc what people think. I am just saying, stop hating it for being different. Modern Era has proven that hating a Godzilla for being different, even radically so, is Hella redundant. If you dont like it, that's fine by me. But I better not catch someone justifying their reasoning with some half assed "Well, it's too drastic a departure from the traditional characterization and design of our beloved character". That shit is dumb reasoning when you have a history as intense and varied as ours. I'd just tell em to find a better reason and get back to me lol. As for it being a bad Godzilla movie? I think in a way it's actually kind of clever, if you view it as a satire on the American military complex. Hiding behind the skirt of a classic 1990s blockbuster movie, it even spells out its intentions when Mayor Ebert screams "What the hell is the matter with you people? You caused more damage than the goddamn thing did!"


SanjiSasuke

Its not just the characterization. It's the fundamental role of Godzilla. Like many have pointed out here, the US Military is **the** most powerful force in the movie, by far. Hence stripping the God part of Godzilla, since the whole idea is that the mighty US Military is greater than any force of nature. No surprise that doesn't sit well with most Godzilla fans (especially when really...there's not much to like in the movie on its merits anyway). Second, there's no doubt that the original director hated Godzilla. He outright said it, and only made the movie because Sony begged him and allowed him to do whatever he wanted. You can see more on that debacle on [this awesome Wha Happun episode.](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qTXUamYjA1M).


drainisbamaged

Nah, Zillas no Godzilla, and that's that. You may have just been born, you may not remember the time. But I was there. I saw it released. I got excited. I went with family. For THAT?!?! That disappointment shall not be tempered cool for some decades to come. You, a sweet child born too young to know the horror, are fortunate to not have experienced it. I can understand you wish for peace, for you weren't there to witness that atrocity first hand. And anyways pal, it's just a movie. I can dislike it without it meaning jack squat to the universe.


TheKaijucifer

I understand it perfectly well. I saw the movie when I turned 2 in 2000. Loved it. Then I grew up. Saw 2014 and 2016's Godzilla movies. And understood what the fans who saw 1998 felt. Even then, I have moved on and learned to accept those two just as older fans should learn to accept and, given the opportunity, stop bashing 1998 any chance they get. From my point of a view, I'm at the age where you'd be out of college and having kids and people STILL hating a movie that came out 5 months after I was born. It's a bit ridiculous that people holding a grudge, against a MOVIE, for that long. Hell, even Mortal Kombat fans have learned to love their original movie, and their new one was trash even worse than the original! This seems to be a problem that is exclusive to Godzilla fans. The inability to move on from a bad adaptation.


drainisbamaged

You lost me at being 5 months old in 98 and then somehow 20 in 2000. You aged fast enough to be a silly Zilla 98 side story, like a bunch of dino eggs...


TheKaijucifer

Never said anything about being 20 in 2000. I said 2.


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Beizal

He dodges most of them, remember the military caused more damage to the city than Godzilla


sharkman1999

I mean, that was the joke. I was having fun until I realized that Zilla didn't even destroy that many buildings. Legendary Godzilla fought King Ghidorah and Boston didn't exist anymore, Shin Gojira got hit by bombs once and lit all of Tokyo on fire.


Intelligent-Soup-836

I mean our military usually causes more damage in most conflicts


NateZilla10000

>military caused more damage to the city than Godzilla Hence why it's a bad Godzilla movie


atomicgamer012

Feels like he is a king kong level monster XD


IllegalGuy13

Is it really fighting if you're stabbing them in the back?


newfrontier58

For some reason reminded me of this. Will Turner: You didn't beat me. You ignored the rules of engagement. In a fair fight, I'd kill you. Jack Sparrow: That's not much incentive for me to fight fair, then, is it?


brazen-corsair

Winners would say yes.


newfrontier58

Junior is still more of a fighter at least until this one is made a cyborg.


iHitOrphansWithMyVan

Yes very impressive for him to hit a helicopter that was facing the completely wrong direction and without any self defense at the time.


kickarseLprogamer

He runs most of the time.


Ambitious_Ask_994

I don’t think you know what fighting is


Huckleberry_Fair

Alright he bitch slaps them then


Firehawk195

Holy *Lord* that is a terrible shot.


captnsparklezsidekik

Dies from a missile like a bitch.


Arizonaman5304

In my opinion 98 is a fine kaiju movie, but it is a bad Godzilla movie. If the movie wasn’t calls “Godzilla” and Zilla wasn’t called Godzilla, it would be a perfectly fine Kaiju movie


atomicgamer012

Most of the time,he's just running away from them.og toho Godzilla was literally a invincible killer machine.


TheGamingPolitician

Still a shit movie tho


ErandurVane

I'm generally of the opinion that 98 is a good Kaiju movie just a terrible Goji movie


HavocXL

Not as much if you imagine it as being titled “Zilla”


Ice_tail

...its still a bad movie. The characters are awful, the writing and dialog is worse than some showa movies, even if it was unrelated to godzilla it would still be hated


COMMENTASIPLEASE

If it was unrelated to Godzilla no one would remember it existed.


hercogrey

It would be the big budget disaster film about Puff Daddy’s collab with Jimmy Page.


HavocXL

Obviously but it makes it more fun to watch and actually makes you want a movie called “Zilla”. Which I’d be so fucking down for, on the condition that they obviously made Zilla closer to the animated series and had him fight an actual enemy instead of just remaking 98, but judging by what movies are currently making the most money, I wouldn’t have to worry about that at all.


GaiDaigouji

If they renamed the movie Gorgo and slapped some flappy, fin-ears on it, I don't think it would be as reviled.


JoeMorgue

Real talk, Put him on all fours, get rid of/tone down the spikes and it's an amazing remake of Beast of 20,000 Fathoms.


Gamera85

Yeah, but Gorgo won by the end of that movie. If they called this thing a Rhedosaurus I promise you, it would've been treated as a decent remake of a classic monster film.


SanjiSasuke

This is true. Because nearly no one would have watched it, even fewer would remember it. Honestly I don't think I've ever seen someone substantiate what they actually *like* about Zilla 98, only say its not as bad as everyone says.


PerceptionBetter3752

Shit kaiju


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hercogrey

I’ll always remember it as the first time I saw a massively overhyped, over-budgeted, over-advertised film with a huge-profile successful soundtrack take a giant shit on the world stage. I’d never seen such an anticipated movie piss so many people off up to that point. It was seen as shamelessly derivative of Jurassic Park rather than any Godzilla content. When I finally saw it I found it boring for its day, especially when they have to fight the ~~velociraptors~~ kids in MSG after killing the monster. I didn’t give a shit about Ferris and his girlfriend, they came off like Ross & Rachel on Friends. It’s appropriately hated IMO. This is probably the first time I’ve thought about it this much since my family rented it from Blockbuster Video.


Gamera85

It is, there are worse Godzilla movies. Still isn't good.


Ambitious_Ask_994

You mean the ones where the fan make joke about all the time and don’t take them seriously?


Gamera85

Fandom jokes and not taking a film serious do not make a movie worse. That isn't a factor because it is simply not a quantifiable way to analyse something. Godzilla films that are worse than 98 are particularly bad missteps in the franchise that have not had a significant re-evaluation for the better. They did worse than 98 by virtue of failing to live up to where even it managed to get things right. 98 at least has fairly decent action sequences and a narrative you can follow and recognizable monster designs that are at least acceptable. Also it's all original footage and isn't basically a series clip show.


Gojicustoms

What is this from?


Beizal

Godzilla 1998


Gojicustoms

I thought it was from something else because the cgi and movements in this are terrible. Also it’s really weird that the planes are just flying there doing nothing.


Beizal

Have you not seen the movie? Because the reason why the helicopters just stand there is because they wanted to make sure Godzilla was "dead", Godzilla tricked them. Also the CGi is fine, especially for 98


Gojicustoms

I have seen the movie it’s just been years since I’ve seen it also Jurassic Park already came out by then and it’s cgi was way better than this. Godzilla 1998 also had way better cgi in other scenes than this.


NobleGuardian

Thats because i beleive this scene was actually done with animatronics.


Gojicustoms

That might be why, then they added cgi later or something.


Beizal

Well Jurassic Park was made mostly in the jungle, while Godzilla was made in mostly New York, this was one of the biggest movies in the 90s with the budget, like I said for 1998 it looks amazing and still does. Also remember that Godzilla 1998 is on 4K Now and looks way better than before


PlusGosling9481

Even out in the open in daylight the models and animation in Jurassic Park is better than this by a long shot, nothing beats ILM


sharkman1999

Well, that's subjective.


Gojicustoms

Yet Jurassic Park, a movie that came out 4 years before this, has better cgi. Even the lost world which came out a year before this has amazing cgi. A lot of the cgi in this movie doesn’t really look that good.


Chungusthebigz

How the hell did he die from missiles?


Gojicustoms

Because he’s the weakest Godzilla


Chungusthebigz

The real Godzilla gave it the treatment it deserved in Final Wars lol


Ophyjgjhnfn

Are you… talking about the model helicopters? Or Godzilla? Because I’m pretty sure those are model helicopters and Godzilla looks fine.


Gojicustoms

I don’t know if they are model helicopters but it still looks bad because the lighting of the helicopters doesn’t Mach the lighting of everything else. Godzilla also looks really bad in this shot and the movements are weird.


ThePresidentsNipples

I saw 98 in theaters young me was dissatisfied chicken boi gets no respect from me and is not allowed in my collection....my son and lady know the rules, not in my house!


Mike31400

This movie is good as a monster movie not a Godzilla movie


sharkman1999

I've been saying that for years. It's a little derivative of Jurassic Park, but it's still a really fun movie... until you call it Godzilla. Just like Halo 5.


SLR107FR-31

Halo 5 has one of the worst stories I have ever seen. It was Star Wars sequel trilogy bad. Maybe worse


sharkman1999

Yes, it was horrible, no question. But the concept was really cool. The old, unethically-made super soldiers have gone rogue, now the new, weaker but supported generation, has to bring them in. It's a kind of interesting plot, until you attach it to Halo.


Thatguythatlivesbad

Personally I love this version of the character. Even though I understand why most people don't like it. I like the idea of ​​a more animalistic creature that is forced to act smart and use ambushes. Even though for many it makes him not a Godzilla (which in a way I can understand) I personally don't feel bothered by that, I like the way Zilla acts and I think his design is wonderful. He's not an indestructible monster, he's just an animal trying to survive. And i think that is something interesting and cool.


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Yeah…. And he gets killed by them. He is still a lame monster in my book.


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IBHomage1286

s… missiles.


Ambitious_Ask_994

Doesn’t make it any better


IBHomage1286

Implying I said it did…


ZillaSenpai

Woah, slapping a stationary helicopter facing the wrong way! What an achievement!


05ar

Still lame af compared to zilla jr


AstartesDVerdugo

Why do you think it's called go-*zilla* warfare tactics?


MonsterZero87

🤣 after having to hide though


SLR107FR-31

This movie was everything to 5 year old me


OLagartixa

I like to see the 1998 movie as a Titanosaurus movie that pretends to be a Godzilla movie. Zilla brings me Titanosaurus vibes.


rocket_guy150

98 absolutely F those guys I remember watching that as a kid and thinking how screwed they were and how spooky it would be


GoyangiStudios32

That's a good point


samcam06

It Was A Fucking Lie.


Simply_Nova

To be fair she mostly evades