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aceofsquiddles

Andor > The Mandalorian > Kenobi > The Book of Boba Fett, in my opinion. Haven't seen Tales of the Jedi yet.


Known_Needleworker67

While I agree that Andor is objectively better, I still enjoy the Mandalorian more


kyle28882

I loved tales of the Jedi. Now it does go against some canon books but I loved it. The Dooku episodes were actually forged by Sauron in the fires of mount doom in secret to rule the animated Star Wars (minus the siege of mandalore clone wars arc).


hayme212

Dooku arc is the one arc to rule them all


Thi_Tran

I love the Dooku stories although I wish they use another character instead of Ahsoka since her story in the series is cool but didn't add much to her character.


Ahsoka_Tano_Bot

Your vision is flawed.


Silent_Shadow_117

Honestly, I'm just tired of seeing Ahsoka everywhere. I hated her when we first met her, enjoyed her later, and then she became so incredibly important that it's annoying again. Especially because of what happened in Rebels to make sure she stayed around. I'm tired of seeing her in everything, I want a different character.


Thi_Tran

Yeah, I loved her character but too much of something eventually makes it a bit dull.


Ahsoka_Tano_Bot

I like firsts. Good or bad, they're always memorable.


Rafados47

Cool opinion, but I still think that the Mandalorian is the best


aceofsquiddles

Totally understandable. I had to think a while to decide which way round to put Andor and The Mandalorian.


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Michael_Cookie5

Tales of the Jedi might fall above mandolorian on your list, bro. But you need to have seen the clone wars


aceofsquiddles

Clone Wars is next on my watch list!


RoundInvestment5926

What about the bricks?


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RoundInvestment5926

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Beanichu

How good are you at swimming?


Kino-Loy-Bot

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Ndmndh1016

Well FIGURE IT OUT, cause you better not end up dead.


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Omega3568

I saw them drinking out of GLASSES! Trash series.


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FlopsMcDoogle

Breakfast cereal and ramen! All they did was make it blue. Totally ruined the immersion. I really thought I was Syril's lil bro til I saw he had what looked like an earth-spoon.


throwaway1919191322

We need a syril karn bot


[deleted]

Not just the Bricks but the Screws to


capi1500

They don't need those r/jedicouncilofelrond


UTRAnoPunchline

Anyone else feel like Andor is going completely under the radar for most people? I only see it discussed on this sub.


DaRetrOS

I sometimes feel like Andor is for a niche group of people. Just so happens that I'm a part of that niche group of people, that's why I fucking loved the show lel


Kenobi5792

>I sometimes feel like Andor is for a niche group of people. That's it. Andor was made for fans who enjoy a good narrative and well-written characters, something most fans don't care about but end up damaging the character's reputation long term (Boba Fett for example). I just hope that Disney pays more attention to their scripts because I think that's the part they are lacking the most.


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SarsenBelacqua

That's what my Star Wars culture war opinion on Andor shakes out to be too. The success of well written shows like Andor can only help any future jedi and existing character heavy Star Wars content that Disney makes by raising expectations overall.


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inbredandapothead

Haven’t seen anything about it other than here. I think it’s because problem have been burned by how shit some of the recent shows have been, it stopped me from wanting to watch Andor at all but based on the reception Andor is getting I’ll be watching it once it’s all out


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entitaneo70_pacifist

smaug


Ravenaglak

The asoka episodes were dogshit in totj. Dooku carried hard as I knew he would.


SW_LiteratureLover

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realgeneral_memeous

^(Tales of the Jedi was very mixed quality and didn’t fully deliver on any of its ideas)


The_DevilAdvocate

^(The dialogue was also very generic good guy/bad guy talk. "You can still be good" -> "It's too late for me".)


Up_Vootinator

^why ^are ^we ^whispering?


Eiden58

^I ^agree ^completely. ^The ^episodes ^were ^too ^short ^to ^really ^be ^able ^to ^tell ^a ^great ^story. ^I ^liked ^the ^Dooku ^episodes, ^but ^it ^had ^potential ^to ^be ^so ^much ^more. ^And ^the ^Ahsoka ^episodes ^were ^mostly ^pointless ^with ^the ^last ^one ^being ^pretty ^much ^just ^a ^big ^retcon. ^The ^animation ^was ^incredible ^throughout ^though.


nightgraydawg

^hey! ^keep ^your ^voice ^down!


Eiden58

^better?


Jayr2357

These posts are getting mad old


DirtyNorf

Am I the only one who cannot get into Andor? Does it get better after episode 2?


sticksgoalie

Episode 3 was where it really took off for me. I struggled getting into the first two but at the end of the third I was hooked.


6thGenCephalosporins

Yeah it gets better. If you group the episodes in 3s, the last episode is the best one


samg422336

Episodes 1 and 2 are slower, but they're setting up a TON. Episode 3 it really gets rolling. I'm planning to rewatch it ASAP


LaterrMan

It’s feels slow to some people but I promise it all pays off. The ending would be far less impactful without all the slow getting to know all the characters during the season


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MikeTheAnt11

You stopped at EP2? My dude, you have no idea what you're missing.


waitmyhonor

First three episodes should be watched together. I think it’s a fair critique to say that the story should have been progressed faster all considering that the rest of season delivers. I don’t blame people if they stopped watching after ep 1 or even 2 due to its very, very slow nature. A real good and proper example of a slow burn series is Slough House on AppleTv+


samthewisetarly

Please keep going; it's fantastic


Left-Moment-3686

It's a good thing they released the first three together , that wouldn't have been worth it at all


hk--57

I stopped after episode 2 as well, and didn't have high hopes for Andor after space Vespa Boba and desert butcher Kenobi. Don't get me wrong I absolutely loved watching the Vader Kenobi fight, but the series has nothing but nostalgia going for it.


Lucius_Imperator

Andor is a whole different vibe from different creators, no space vespas here 👌 it doesn't have Jake Fett riding a rancor but it's got better everything else


Yourself013

Do yourself a favor and try to watch through Ep6. If you still find it dull after those then no pressure, you don't have to watch any more, but the first few episodes really don't do the show justice and once the setup is done and characters execute the first major plot point (no spoilers), that's when the show really gets rolling with some top tier writing, visuals as well great respect to Star Wars lore and a sprinkle of fan service. Again, probably not for everyone and really nothing wrong with it not being your cup of tea, but it's definitely deserving of a second chance. Take it from someone who had the exact same feelings as you did after Boba Fett/Kenobi and was really not excited for Andor at all.


Kino-Loy-Bot

If we can fight half as hard as we've been working, we will be home in no time


Eiden58

First two are mostly setup youll love it if you keep watching


Shcatman

I stopped watching for 2 months after episode 2. I really wish I hadn’t. After episode 2 it feels like a crescendo, and I think that’s the reason all 3 of the first episodes were released at the same time.


Jorsk3n

Funny you say that! The show is structured with 3-episode-arcs so you literally missed the payoff from the first two episodes…


Elmais-door

Kenobi was the worse, Boba fett can be bad but the damage kenobi does to the franchise is awful, luckily nothing important happens so one can presume it just does not exist.


Taheer1209

I will not accept Kenobi slander 😤


dungoof1234

Kenobi was great what are u on ab


Yourself013

Kenobi is pretty much a meme tbh. Some rare good scenes and nostalgia save it from being a complete disaster, but it's full of plot holes and just ridiculous writing.


spader1

All of the criticisms that I hear about Kenobi have everything to do with it only being six half hour episodes and not the quality of the writing. I thought the overall story and character progression was solid, but there just wasn't enough screen time to fully develop it, so people think that it's cheap or unearned. Comparing Kenobi to Andor is ridiculous because Andor had literally twice as much time to tell its story.


perestroika12

That’s also a writing problem just not a dialogue problem. Idk why it matters in some sense, kenobi was somewhat botched for a variety of reasons. I liked kenobi but it had problems for sure.


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Yourself013

I dunno, was there really no time to make a more believable scene where the mercs catch Leia, instead of a ridiculous 5 minute long chase through the woods where multiple adults cannot catch a child? Or maybe think of a more believable way to quickly escape an empire base than tucker under the coat? Or Reva announcing herself before attacking Vader? Sure, more time would have given Kenobi more fleshed out character arcs, but I feel like the quality of the writing was really inconsistent as well. Especially when some scenes were absolutely genious (like Obi-Wan&Vader confrontation) but then some were as ridiculous as mentioned above.


spader1

> I dunno, was there really no time to make a more believable scene where the mercs catch Leia, instead of a ridiculous 5 minute long chase through the woods where multiple adults cannot catch a child? Or maybe think of a more believable way to quickly escape an empire base than tucker under the coat? Or Reva announcing herself before attacking Vader? These are direction issues, not writing. Though I agree all of those were not great.


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dungoof1234

We differ in opinion


Yourself013

Well you asked what he was on about, I assumed you kinda want an explanation/discussion rather than an odd useless comment.


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dungoof1234

It was rhetorical. Also I’m never going to convince u that it’s good. And you’re never going to convince me that it’s bad. So


AlwaysThinkingWeez

Least delusional star wars fan


waitmyhonor

No, it wasn’t. It’s perfectly fine to see Kenobi as a mediocre show and still enjoy it, but it definitely isn’t great. It’s not even great without the comparison to other live action SW shows. Kenobi felt like watching the live action Halo series where no consideration was given for the existing lore, visuals and props looked cheap, confusing if not unnecessary scenes, and I think the kicker for me, being lazy by copying parkour movements from BOBF when Fennec chased assassins in the first episode on the rooftop just like how the Leia/Kenobi were being chassd


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dungoof1234

Can we have different opinions or nahhh. I think it’s great, I loved it. Dude, I don’t care. It was cool, it was fun, it was interesting


OGMol3m4n

Lol good one


kingtucker10

It was cool. But it just seemed like a little kids show to me.


Michael_Cookie5

Fuck yeah bro. Kenobis quality can’t hide behind the hype and recognizable cameos, and Boba Fett can’t just throw in mando and grogu and act like their sets were on the same scale as the massive renderings of mos eisley. Tales of the Jedi knows what’s up, they got our feelings going, not our relatability. Andor is just straight up good content. Like it has good cameos, but the reason the show was good was because more effort was put into the story than the actors


Yoda--29

I dont get it. Whats wrong with.... A. Book of Boba Fett ? B. Kenobi ?


All-Might-All-Right

Boba fett gets extremely sidelined in his own show and feels really off character from what he originally was in every other material portrayed from before (TcW,OG trilogy, Mando), instead of the serious badass trying to uphold his father’s legacy he acts like a goofy old man wannabe mob boss on tattooine getting his lackeys to control the spice industry because he’d get his ass handed to him if he did it himself (they treat his character like shit in this series). Also there’s like 2 episodes that straight up don’t have him in it focusing on Mando and Luke skywalker respectively, basically Mandolorian 2.5 even the production of the settings look better


Yoda--29

Thank you.


All-Might-All-Right

Updated my comments felt like I should’ve addressed some missed things I forgot to mention


Yoda--29

Cool. Thanks :-)


Yoda--29

And Kenobi ? Never understood the hate for it.


Less_Ad_6302

it was very contrived imo. i mean, they pulled the \*survives after being stabbed in the stomach and left for dead\* trope 3 separate times in a six episode show lol. it borrowed a bunch from jedi fallen order but did all of it worse


Yoda--29

Thank you.


Balrog069

People usually talk about silly moments from Kenobi like adults forgetting how to duck under a branch or not being able to catch an 8 year old on foot (Leia kidnap scene) or the escape from the Inquisitor fortress where almost no one notices Obiwan just wrapping Leia in his coat despite the fact that it's very obvious and a horrible disguise. Personally silly or stupid things like that happening in a plot don't ruin a show, they just reduce its quality. What brought Kenobi down for me the most was that it should have had 1 main villain instead of 2. Reeva and Vader reduce each other's meaning to the story rather than working off of each other. One wants Kenobi to take responsibility for his failures while the other wants to convince Kenobi that he isn't responsible at all. Having both of these characters give Kenobi opposite messages and having him clearly be affected by both of these messages leaves the audience with a very confused ending. Which does Kenobi believe more? What is the audience supposed to believe? It should have just been Reeva or Vader, not both.


Yoda--29

Thanks for the reply.


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All-Might-All-Right

Kenobi just idk didn’t live up to the expectation from the 2 main characters Vader and Obi-wan. Really dumbass plot holes, decisions in the overall story, weakass fighting scenes, this is an Obi-wan that was extremely rusty and won against Vader because the plot demanded it without any buildup. Also Reva is just shoved in the story becoming the limelight character for whatever reason and her arc is really dumb in this series with Anakin. Just a mixed bag


Yoda--29

Thanks for the reply :-)


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Femkat_00

TBOBF was mostly filler and fanservice that had no idea what to do with its concept. It was pretty clear they didn’t have enough material to justify an entire series considering that the show just turned into season 3 of the Mandalorian halfway through (and those episodes were 10x better than anything that had come before). It was also just incredibly dull. The characters weren’t particularly interesting, we were stuck on Tatooine, AGAIN, and it felt like nothing really happened until the finale. Kenobi felt like it was written by amateurs. There were so many instances of plot convenience and plot armour that the show had no stakes whatsoever. When you have characters get stabbed in the stomach three separate times and they all live, any tension you might be trying to achieve is completely thrown out the window. The cinematography and directing were atrocious, particularly in action sequences where they were so shaky and so darkly lit that you couldn’t see anything that was happening. Also, considering that the status quo between Kenobi and Vader was unchanged by the end, it felt like the show’s only real purpose was to fix a plot hole from the sequels (Ben Solo’s name), which calls into question why the series needed to exist in the first place.


Yoda--29

Cheers :-)


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StuffTheWEZ

Is all this shilling actually helping?


SW_LiteratureLover

Agreed


ShadyOjir95

Sub is really becoming inflammatory as hell.


rewanpaj

this sub is going to shit


Darklink820

Tale of the Jedi was pure fan service.....and not the kind I like...at all. It was all stuff that could have already been inferred. Overall I only liked 2 episodes, The First and Second Dooku Episodes.


GorgesVG

Just give the reigns on all projects to Dave Filoni. If that means less star wars shows, it'd be a better investment for the long term of the franchise


MorganHAJA64

Wtf


hellothereoldben

Almost all series with established characters/and an established ip end up being so sucky. There's just this wave of talentless people who mistake inclusivity for quality and just fail at making good shows. Kenobi was such a hard effort at trying to "memberberry" the audience while they throw together as many strong female characters as possible. Kid Leia was somehow as cunning as Kenobi, and, 'diversity woman' was even more cunning having incompetent men all around her. And actually, even the way diversity was handled I like Andor. There's this badass imperial woman, yet dispite being strong the series does let a man save her as well. Besides that, there is a fair combination of competent and some less competent people of both genders. That's what equality should look like.


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Prophet_Muhammad_phd

Disney propaganda is in full swing for Andor. It’s so weird. Whether it’s on the SW subs or r/entertainment or r/television. I get they want people to watch the show but holy fuck, we get it. Just because they fucked up the majority of their tv shows and all the movies doesn’t mean we should watch Andor. It either works on its merit or it doesn’t. That’s business. You keep putting out shit products, you lose customers. It’s that simple. Oh, and if you don’t believe OP is a shill for Disney, check out their profile. That’s a **big** fucking yikes.


Cybermat47_2

>It either works on its merit or it doesn’t. It does work on its merit, have you seen it?


Prophet_Muhammad_phd

That’s not my point, there’s only so many times people keep saying something is good before other people who haven’t seen it yet form a different opinion purely on the praise. It’s been said to be good so long now and I’ve been inundated with so many reasons as to why I should watch it that now I’m not going to.


Cybermat47_2

Are you saying that you're forming a negative opinion on it just because other people are saying it's good?


Prophet_Muhammad_phd

Yes.


Matapple13

Whaaaaaaaaaa 👶🏻🍼 Cry me a river, lol, you’re complaining that people are talking about the most recent Star Wars TV show in Star Wars, entertainment and television subs, give me a break 😂😂😂 Calling me a Disney shill when in the meme I literally calls 2 Star Wars TV shows made by Disney released in 2022 bad.


Prophet_Muhammad_phd

Not talking about it, hyping it up, a very clear and calculated difference. Are you knew to marketing? Brands will shit talk their own products in order to sell more of of a newer product. You do what you can to sell your newest product, it’s basic business strategy. Also, memes are inherently tied to humor. So you’re not really calling the other shows bad, you’re poking fun at them. Which is neither good nor bad, it’s just recognition they exist. I mean, look at your post history. It’s all Disney related, it’s all positive or informative in regards to Disney products. A little weird, don’t you think?


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Matapple13

What you’re trying to say? That I’m being paid by Disney? 😂😂😂😂 I wish that was true, at least I could make some money of that.


Prophet_Muhammad_phd

It wouldn’t be the first time someone got paid shilling for Disney.


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Prophet_Muhammad_phd

They even have bots for the show already, lmao. This is some weird shit.


arest_42

No


Brilliant-Pudding524

Keep you dirty hands off Book of Boba Fett! It was enjoyable, while Kenobi was not.


Remote-Direction963

The Kenobi Tv show, should be where that yellow dragon in the middle is.


Liverzord

Facts like this pushed George Lucas to sell his franchise to Nazi mouse in the first place. You guys disgust me.


FALCUNPAWNCH

The excessive praise of and putting down of other Star Wars properties on Reddit is making me like Andor less. It's a good show but it's very different from other Star Wars content which directs it to a more mainstream audience than a Star Wars fan one. This feels like The Last Jedi astroturfing all over again.


Cybermat47_2

Agreed. But Ghidorah would swat Smaug like a fly. It would be like putting *Andor* up against the holiday special.


[deleted]

OH F OFF, The Book of Boba Fett was incredible!!!!


Ogurasyn

Opinion is not a fact, even the one when majority agrees


groovy604

They're all good, I really don't care they keep going back to tatooine, the scooter kids, or that the forest chase scene was a little goofy Gimme more kenobi and fett too pls