By - PMantis13
I'm kind of a newbie into the series, so it's safe to say it's best to build an enclosure for almost every single specimen? If that's correct, I gotta be really picky in what species I want to have, since the space is quite limited, right?
As long as medium/large carnivores (NOT pack hunters) have goats and a meat dispenser they generally won’t touch small herbivores. Most herbivores can be mixed, you just need to keep an eye on not putting certain specific families together, like stegos do not like ceratopsians and sauropods don’t like other sauropods for example. You can also place compys in any enclosure unless it has another carnivore in it.
There are 3 exceptions that can under no circumstances be mixed with other species: Indominus Rex, Indoraptor, and any pack hunting carnivore. They will kill anything and everything inside the enclosure.
Does the Indoraptor hunt large sauropods now?
Everything does. It's stupid.
its not stupid, in real life even lions hunt giraffes
There is a big difference in the sizes of lion vs giraffe as to a raptor to a freaking brachiosaurus/ dreadnoughtous. Pack hunting system is to OP here
Even then with Giraffe's they aren't the common prey of lions and any video clips with lions dragging them down usually have a abnormal amount of lions.
Still comparing a giraffe to a brachi or dreadnoughtous is ridiculous. They’re 10x taller and have extremely thick skin while even the jw raptor is only 6ft
Well yeah. I mean a T-rex is around 10 tons and a Brachiosaur is probably around 50.
They rarely if ever hunt Giraffes and even when they do they need a lot of numbers and even then the weight difference is nothing like that of raptors vs a sauropod or even large theropod vs a sauropod. You realise you're basically arguing that kittens can take out a elephant right? That's the weight difference you're arguing. It's not in your favour.
Exactly. Its one of the dumbest arguments I’ve heard in defense of this
Can you put the indominus rex with velociraptors? It says the raptors like the indominus for me
My Metros never ate my compys. I had them in a giant pen though and made sure to give the compys a fuck load of stamina to run. They all died of old age. I'm not sure if the stamina/pen size had anything to do with it, just throwing out my findings. Every enclosure is a science experiment lol
Odd. So far I've not had any of my carnivores eat my compys. There must be some mechanic we're missing.
That doesn’t work in the sequel unfortunately
The Indominus can coexist just fine with raptors, it’s the raptors that will inevitably decide to kill her at some point for whatever reason. Less aggressive traits in the raptors may prolong how long they can stay together, but Indominus is expensive so it’s generally not worth it mixing them in an enclosure since it always happens anyway.
Raptors may attack and kill the indominus
But as long as raptors don’t have the aggressive trait and they’re kept well fed they should be ok being paired with an indominus?
No they will kill it regardless eventually.
When it comes to carnivores yes, while for herbivores is a neutral, dislike or acceptable response example: triceratops dislike stegosaurus, but they like Ankylosaurus, while at the same time they are neutral to parasaurolophus.
No you don't need that at all.
But you need to be aware of the traits the dinosaurs have.
Aggressive is something to avoid if you put multiple carnivores in one enclosure.
And even if that are peaceful 99% of the time, they can still fight, usually not deadly though.
Unless one dinosaur gets old, that can lead to it getting hunted down.
The 'Likes' settings mean that their Cohabitation stat won't go up, so they won't cause a comfort alert for having a disliked species in their territory, and so you can put another species in there (e.g Dryosaurus) that they're neutral to because they've still got all of their Cohabitation limit left.
Generally, carnivores appear to be most likely to attack targets when they're hungry or when they have a combat stat advantage. If you want a mixed-carnivore enclosure, pick species with similar stats (e.g Majungasaurus/Carnotaurus), or physically separate them with rocks or decorations and leave the gaps wide enough to let any compies or small herbivores in the exhibit pass between them.
This guys got it.
The problem is really the word “like”. They should have chosen “tolerates” or something. Like implies they play as friends not eat each other.
This is such a helpful response I wish I had an award to give you. I had a pretty good grasp about the carnivore stats, but I didn’t realize that “liking” another type of dinosaur meant the cohabitation stat wouldn’t increase, allowing you to mix in more unlisted species.
Understanding this gives me some great ideas for how to approach my future enclosures, so thank you kindly.
Use rocks to make a "pseudo" fence. I had a raptor in Chaos Theory for Jurrasic Park 93 that would not stop attacking my other raptor. I separated them with a "rock barrier" they still get the benefits of cohabitation, but they stop fighting which makes management 10x easier.
Now that's what I call big brain time. Will try, thanks!
Yeah I think Evo did a video on it. You can make a line of big and small rocks to look visually appealing to. Use it to keep certain herbivores in a same enclosure away from each other too.
same thing for me, troodons like being with compys… or rather the taste of them
I had an enclosure with 2 Allosaurus. I checked the cohabitation preferences and was mistakenly happy to know they'd get along with the new Metriacanthosaurus I got. Both Allosaurus instantly killed them. What's up with that preference then?
By "Like", it means they like how they taste.
Yeah, your dino LIKES having them around to fight and kill and eat.
Nope, you didn't misunderstand it. Frontier just... didn't add in the presumably feature of carnivores that like eachother not killing eachother immediately. Not sure why, but I really hope they actually let carnivores that like one another coexist in a future update.
But majunga and carno can live together for a long time no problem. Maybe that's more about dinosaur behavior and maybe their treats?
My Majunga and Carnos murdered the fuck outta each other
Weird because mine live along no problem, and my majunga had the agressive trait either. Maybe you need 100% confort all the time?
I think that was long as they have space too have their own territories they'll be fine. I haven't tried just my guess.
i would prefer co-existence between carnivores be more like tolerable; they will fight each other but back off, leaving injuries that you have to constantly deal with
Okay, but you're forgetting the fact that pretty much every species that like one another, also happen to have different niches. They wouldn't care about each other's presence if the larger of the two animals is well fed.
Plus your idea negates the entire purpose of the mechanic.
That kinda defeats the whole purpose of liking another animal in the same enclosure and that’s more tedious for us to constantly send an MVU in and take them to the paleo medical facility
That's more realistic to me than having two medium sized carnivores having an amicable relationship in the same pen. having two carnivores occasionally snapping at each other, butting heads and causing injuries would pose a good challenge imo
I successfully have metriacanthosaurus and allosaurus living together in my game. Could it be that they have too much overlapping territory? Or that the Allosaurus has the Intolerant trait? Maybe not enough prey in the enclosure?
I do think so! This specific enclosure had a way more limited space, was the only one where my Allosaurus were 98% comfort because of the open space need. I do thought that they'd get along with the metrias in the same territory, but they'll only share it with their same species, right?
They can have some overlapping territory as far as I can tell, but if the total space isn't large enough I think it makes them attack eachother. My Allosaurus and Metriacanthosaurus have almost entirely overlapping territories but its a very large enclosure and I put extra prey and food in when I noticed that they were occasionally fighting eachother and that seemed to help. I'm still not 100% clear on how the cohabitation works so it's a bit of trial and error at the moment.
The species combinations have changed quite a bit from last game. Compys can only live with herbivores and large carnivores, all small carnivores will eat them. Allosaurus here will fight with other carnivores so this is correct however in this game certain carnivores can live together. Allo can specifically live with ceratasaurus because of their history together in the past. Both lived around the same time and usually peacefully lived together taking on different roles in the environment. I think its the same for metri though I don't know much about the dinosaur other than some basic stuff.
Likes Metiracanthosaurus: for DINNER.
I think that means allo hates all carnivores except these three.
They have a trait called intolerant so they don’t like anybody but other ones of their species
No, it’s not what they like to eat. It’s probably a mess up on the devs part. Usually if you have two species that like each other, you can put them both in one enclosure (both of their needs have to be met).
I successfully kept Majunga+Carnotaurus, Majunga+Qianzhou, Alberta+Carnotaurus, Baryonix+Suchomimus.
Generally stats matter ofc and that they are well fed.
Aggressive is something to avoid at all cost.
There is two strategies on top of that.
One being to have both types of dinosaurs be very close in dominance, so they won't fight.
Or have one be largely superior, like with Alberta + Carno.
Disease and age can affect the balance, so be aware of that.
If you assign a helicopter to the ranger station it will tranq dinosaurs when they are about to fight, this can be another safety net.
Allo woke up and chose violence
The cohabitation thing is such bullshit, Carnataurus is supposed to be happy with Majungosaurus and even though I bread them to be social etc they still kill one another.
Is it a bug perhaps?
You need them to be tolerant not social I think
Social to be nicer within their own species, Tolerant to be (more) okay with other species.
At least yours are fighting. Mine are entering a state of staredown and get stuck into some kind of loop for minutes and then moving on as if nothing happens
U put a bunch of carnotaurus with some majungasaurs and they killed each other even though it said they liked each other.
One anecdote that might be useful to this discussion is that when I dropped my Pachycephs from 100% comfort to 98% from cohabitation, they started fighting each other constantly, after being totally peaceful for about 2 hours. I suspect there is a stress mechanic that kicks in as soon as comfort is below 100% that sort of boosts aggression. This might explain the differences some people are seeing in keeping carnivores together too.
Edit: Another anecdote, to get my raptors to fight a pachyceph to try and build infamy I had to turn off the goat feeder, and push their hunger lower than normal. Might also be relevant to keeping carns together - if they rely on goats they sometimes dip lower in hunger from failed hunts, and might then decide to attack the other carnivore. Meat feeders might be a good way to make sure carns sharing an enclosure don't fight.
Yeah even though some carnivores don't mind each other does not mean they can still get in fights. I was wondering why my Majunasaurus kept killing my Carnotosaurus until I realized that Majunasaurus has like -50 social skills. I modified the their eggs to have them be more social and I haven't had to worry about them fighting anymore.