I love Quentin's work but have never thought about that. I would consider them more "masculine" because of how violent they are. There's also lots of sexual imagery of women.
Muscles and masculinity are also seperate descriptors, yet here we are in a threat which discusses if alot of muscles are considered masculine.
It's about "which traits are typically associated with masculinity/femininity". And as dumb as it might be, violence is more often associated with masculinity than femininity.
I have long hair down to my elbows and am skinny. I'm also a level 10 in tactical krav maga and spent most of my adult life working either as a bodyguard or pmc. Call me whatever, I'm happy.
If you dont curl... you are a girl.
If you dont bench... you're a wench.
If you dont shoulder press... you belong in a dress.
Did yall even read the rules?
Everyone saying “That’s how it works” but no, that’s not how it works. There are far more skinny guys than there are built girls, I’m guessing 90% of redditors going “yeah, that’s how it works” look like pieces of string with a couple knots in them.
Guys can be skinny, fat, muscular. Girls can be skinny, fat, muscular. People who think muscles = masculine and no muscles = feminine have their heads jammed squarely up their own asses.
They aren’t saying “that’s how it works” because they believe it themselves. They are saying it because the world has plenty of people with their heads jammed squarely up their own asses living in it
Yeah a lot of fat guys that don’t work out seem to think they’re a lot stronger than they are. Just because you have big arms doesn’t mean you’re very strong and have lots of muscle mass, it just means you have good fat distribution genetics.
The amount of delusional obese people in the world is an impressive show of mankind's ability to lie to itself. I've gotten to know so many neckbeards that genuinely believe their shape is impressive and praiseworthy or that they're some form of physical specimen that could do some heroic stunts "if they had to".
Mfs knees are more blown out than their egos lol
I don't think that they are arguing that it's correct. My impression is that they are simply acknowledging that both are consistent with how a society categorizes people.
I wasn’t aware we were just kowtowing to the opinions of assholes. Maybe it’s a culture thing but where I grew up skinny guys ≠ feminine, that’s honestly a kinda weird take.
Is this supposed to a counter-point or something?
Like me being skinny isn't even the point of the argument
And it's just normal to associate having muscles with masculinity because on average you see more muscular men than women, that's not to say that women that go to gyms don't look like women tho
Society has determined that muscles are something masculine.
Just like how short skirts and long hair are something feminine.
But it all depends on where you live, because the Scots see short skirts and long hair as something masculine.
So yes, that is exactly how it works.
Why does everything have to be gendered? You all do realize we're all the same species of monkey, right? I would wager 80+% of the "masculine/feminine" labeled stuff is arbitrary as fuck. Just do what makes you happy, as long as you aren't hurting anyone who gives damn?
It's just as easy to imagine a society in which only men cooked, or only women did scholarly stuff/higher education, and a million other variations. A lot of what we think as default isn't default, but just another choice made a long time ago by some dead dude. It's just been that way so long we cant imagine it otherwise. That kind of thinking limits us and what we can achieve.
Because we live in a society that likes to label things.
Most are indeed arbitrary, but good luck changing this.
The newer generation which have determined gender to be a social construct understand this, and are now much more open to people not in either specified gender.
Boys are allowed to play with dolls and have long hair now.
And girls are allowed to play with cars and wear pants now.
The world hasn't imploded, it only made things better.
Everyone has muscles. They're literally a part of the human body, regardless of how visible they are. I just feel like everyone is stupid, or at least most people - which isn't a bad thing; no one ever said that being stupid was bad.
No every guy should have muscle that's how god created us ( i am not pointing at Christianity god i believe in him but you might be believing in other god and if you are dm me i wanna know everything on every different religion) 👍
I mean yeah, my options are: get big like man or be perpetually considered effeminate... I'm too lazy so I don't really get to be considered masculine. I can't make people NOT think that, but I can make myself not care which for me is just as good
Exactly. What a stupid argument, nothing about muscles, aggression, competitiveness or dominance equates to masculinity and never has; if you identify as a man what you do is masculine. Period. If I have long hair and I'm a man it's masculine. If I have a soft voice and I'm a man it's a masculine voice because I'm a man. If I put a dress on, it's a god damned masculine dress because I'm a man and that's that.
If ugly boys claims that they're not ugly, just they got a masculine face, then ugliness should be considered a masculine beauty trait standard.
Yeah, girls with muscles aren't 100% feminine on the gender scale.
And boys without are also not 100% masculine on the same scale.
You can blame society for that social construct.
Honestly, I've never seen a girl with muscles referred to as "masculine." In fact, the response I usually see when straight or bi men see a muscular woman is something along the lines of "step on my face, mommy" or "DEATH BY SNU-SNU". Also, I'm a skinny guy, and no one has ever called me effeminate, maybe because of the way I carry myself, maybe not, although I have been told that I am built like a twink.
Why do you think weak guys get called pussies...?
ooooooooooooooooooohhhhh!
He got enlightened
lol
Yeah, and why do you think femboys have skinny arms. It's just science.
Who are you, and why are you so enlightened in the ways of science. (Monty Python reference)
Holy grail pog
“Little girly man” said in hanz & Franz voice
Hey, work hard for gain 2 kg of muscle, give me the time for do more
That’s pretty much how it works, yes.
Yup, does OP think that skinny small framed men aren’t joked about as being “feminine”
I think OP is a muscular woman
I'm skinny and I can tell you there's no end to the comments
I always figured skinny guys and fat girls have a lot of the same social anxieties.
You dont get called feminine just Because No muscles tho, it takes some other stuff as well.
You mean like my love of musicals and dress up and Tarantino movies
Tarantino movies are considered feminine?
Are they considered *masculine*?
I love Quentin's work but have never thought about that. I would consider them more "masculine" because of how violent they are. There's also lots of sexual imagery of women.
Masculinity and violence are separate descriptors
Sure, but chick flicks usually aren't violent.
???
Muscles and masculinity are also seperate descriptors, yet here we are in a threat which discusses if alot of muscles are considered masculine. It's about "which traits are typically associated with masculinity/femininity". And as dumb as it might be, violence is more often associated with masculinity than femininity.
The stripy thigh high socks and miniskirt may also be a factor
OP didn't say skinny tho just "guys with no muscles"
If you have no muscles you wouldn’t be able to move
Not if I kick you around. I can do till 2 kg.
you could still move your dick
r/angryupvote
Can confirm, this is in fact how it works?
Kinda is that way…
I mean I'm kinda used to it at this point 🤷♂️
go to r/femboy and have your fun
Also r/fitgirls is fun to have a look at
the one with an s is better
Yeah same goes for r/gayscat
NO
r/eyebleach is needed now
I have long hair down to my elbows and am skinny. I'm also a level 10 in tactical krav maga and spent most of my adult life working either as a bodyguard or pmc. Call me whatever, I'm happy.
Yeah? Well my power level in rise of kingdoms is WAY above 10. Up your game man. (Also wtf is tacticak Krav Maga?)
Bro I'm like level 130 in Dark Souls 3 bro I could literally one-shot you (Also wtf is rise of kingdoms?)
I edited it just for you.
nothing wrong with long hair, just make sure no one mistakes you for a chic.
You worked as a pmc? You worked as…an entire company? Sure ya did buddy lmfao
Contractor. You played yourself.
Don't care I still love LeanBeefPattys muscles
Literally everyone has muscles
Can’t believe how far down I had to scroll to see this comment.
Figure of speech. That's not what he means
If you dont curl... you are a girl. If you dont bench... you're a wench. If you dont shoulder press... you belong in a dress. Did yall even read the rules?
If you don't legs... you're Lt. Dan.
Dantastic joke.
*If you don't legs... you're submissive during segs.
If you don't squat, your dick will rot If you don't do lifts, grow a pair of tits Made these up
A part of tits? Like underboob, sideboob, cleavage?
Think we're talking about good ol man titties
Well shit I do overhead press, guess I belong in a dress.
So, if a muscular girl dated a non-muscular guy…
That's how society sees it so yeah
 Ideal feminine body
Everyone saying “That’s how it works” but no, that’s not how it works. There are far more skinny guys than there are built girls, I’m guessing 90% of redditors going “yeah, that’s how it works” look like pieces of string with a couple knots in them. Guys can be skinny, fat, muscular. Girls can be skinny, fat, muscular. People who think muscles = masculine and no muscles = feminine have their heads jammed squarely up their own asses.
They aren’t saying “that’s how it works” because they believe it themselves. They are saying it because the world has plenty of people with their heads jammed squarely up their own asses living in it
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it's not by your muscles it technically how you present yourself
The ones saying "yeah that's how it works" aren't skinny, they're fat and they call it muscle so they can call themselves "masculine"
Yeah a lot of fat guys that don’t work out seem to think they’re a lot stronger than they are. Just because you have big arms doesn’t mean you’re very strong and have lots of muscle mass, it just means you have good fat distribution genetics.
The amount of delusional obese people in the world is an impressive show of mankind's ability to lie to itself. I've gotten to know so many neckbeards that genuinely believe their shape is impressive and praiseworthy or that they're some form of physical specimen that could do some heroic stunts "if they had to". Mfs knees are more blown out than their egos lol
I don't think that they are arguing that it's correct. My impression is that they are simply acknowledging that both are consistent with how a society categorizes people.
And those skinny guys are unfortunately seen as feminine by assholes, whats your point
I wasn’t aware we were just kowtowing to the opinions of assholes. Maybe it’s a culture thing but where I grew up skinny guys ≠ feminine, that’s honestly a kinda weird take.
Of course its dumb but i didnt make this meme lol
What culture did you grow up in? Greece? Toxic masculinity permeates every corner of the world.
Is this supposed to a counter-point or something? Like me being skinny isn't even the point of the argument And it's just normal to associate having muscles with masculinity because on average you see more muscular men than women, that's not to say that women that go to gyms don't look like women tho
On average you see more skinny men than muscular men too though. Hence skinny men are more masculine? Doesn’t work out
I don't agree with the post either, i don't think being skinny should associate with being more feminine
well, i agree with you here, kind of... they 'can' be skinny, fat, degenerates... but the point here is... should they?
Society has determined that muscles are something masculine. Just like how short skirts and long hair are something feminine. But it all depends on where you live, because the Scots see short skirts and long hair as something masculine. So yes, that is exactly how it works.
so im feminine?
What’s a woman?
What is love? 
And as a result we can be bullied for it
Yup, so
so... get the fuck up and go workout!
bad meme
All humans have muscles, so all humans are masculine
Incorrect, I have uploaded my consciousness into a neural network, leaving me without a physical form, hence, no muscle mass
Then you are the most feminine person in the world
You have a point
🙏
Lord I see what you have given others and I want that for myself.
Have at it
Dont we all have muscles But some are harder than others
What about fan men with man titiies like me?
titties don't matter if you can lift.
I don’t consider muscular women masculine unless they are hella buff like the fucking hulk but I consider muscular men masculine- my brain is weird.
They are what we call tomboys, and that is completely fine. Tomboys are hot.
Leave us alone. We didn't start this
So that means I'm feminine now?
Well, yes that’s how it works
Exactly how it works already
Why does everything have to be gendered? You all do realize we're all the same species of monkey, right? I would wager 80+% of the "masculine/feminine" labeled stuff is arbitrary as fuck. Just do what makes you happy, as long as you aren't hurting anyone who gives damn? It's just as easy to imagine a society in which only men cooked, or only women did scholarly stuff/higher education, and a million other variations. A lot of what we think as default isn't default, but just another choice made a long time ago by some dead dude. It's just been that way so long we cant imagine it otherwise. That kind of thinking limits us and what we can achieve.
Because we live in a society that likes to label things. Most are indeed arbitrary, but good luck changing this. The newer generation which have determined gender to be a social construct understand this, and are now much more open to people not in either specified gender. Boys are allowed to play with dolls and have long hair now. And girls are allowed to play with cars and wear pants now. The world hasn't imploded, it only made things better.
Everyone has muscles. They're literally a part of the human body, regardless of how visible they are. I just feel like everyone is stupid, or at least most people - which isn't a bad thing; no one ever said that being stupid was bad.
(ง ͠° ͟ل͜ ͡°)งʷᵃⁿⁿᵃ ᶠᶦᵍʰᵗ /j
Super Smash Bros... ur Arena ID?
since everyone has muscles to move lesbians and straight people don't exist,we are all gay
Yes :3
No no, he's got a point
Uhhhh....yes? That's literally how it works
Have you seen a muscular femboy?
That's...how it works, yes....
yeah or twinks
Femboy propaganda, do not listen bros
pretty sure i am still a masculine guy with, sadly, no muscles
Entire reddit all if ⏃ sudden 
Well, i am a gay bottom
Everyone has muscles though…
are we talking bulking or cutting?
Hence the term fanboys haha
No every guy should have muscle that's how god created us ( i am not pointing at Christianity god i believe in him but you might be believing in other god and if you are dm me i wanna know everything on every different religion) 👍
Oh shit I think it would be time to switch up my lifestyle if society agrees on this
What if men were men, and women were women?
What if men were women, and women were men?
😱
I mean yeah, my options are: get big like man or be perpetually considered effeminate... I'm too lazy so I don't really get to be considered masculine. I can't make people NOT think that, but I can make myself not care which for me is just as good
bro u're just lazy
Yes... I literally just said that
i know, i just wanted to remind you
Ahh, well thanks. I was worried I'd forget
No one's arguing
Guys without musles are considered bags of skin and bones
there are a lot of other organs other than skin and bones in the human body...
"In humans, skeletal muscle comprises approximately 40% of total body weight"
but what does it has to do with what i said?
You wouldnt exactly notice organs within whats left that easily
They are??? Like, am j missing something?
Also I think your using the format wrong
U pissed of so many neckbeards
Tine to hit the gym, men!
bro has never heard of traps or femboys
As a guy with lots of big muscle i agree
Aahh casually flexing
Exactly. What a stupid argument, nothing about muscles, aggression, competitiveness or dominance equates to masculinity and never has; if you identify as a man what you do is masculine. Period. If I have long hair and I'm a man it's masculine. If I have a soft voice and I'm a man it's a masculine voice because I'm a man. If I put a dress on, it's a god damned masculine dress because I'm a man and that's that.
great, now I can join the girls’ weightlifting team and be able to compete without being called weak
A man without muscle is considerate disable
If ugly boys claims that they're not ugly, just they got a masculine face, then ugliness should be considered a masculine beauty trait standard. 
I feel attached and good at the same time
This is one of the worst memes ive ever seen. Why would you ever choose this format?
They already are
What do you think femboys are?
Ok I’d still bang both
Are they not?
Yeah, girls with muscles aren't 100% feminine on the gender scale. And boys without are also not 100% masculine on the same scale. You can blame society for that social construct.
Bruh I love femboys and muscle girls 🗿
But... they are?
i thought we were calling them femboys now
Does looking like a zombie make you feminine?
Why did I see this now It will keep on my mind lol
Um acshully all people have muscles
congratulations you just discovered femboys
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My dude if you have no muscles then you are just a savk of meat, organs and bones
Nah, you get a beer belly and are set for life.
SHIT YES. RISE FOR FEMBOIS
Correct, madam
I mean..... that's been the idea... for like.... all of time....? damn we were getting close to beating this stereotype too. OP is boomer as fuck
Whenever I see women with muscles, I never think masculine, I almost always think, "HOT".
They are
I'd rather say masculinen't
FeMANine
So that's why we have femboys...
In my country instead of calling a scared boy a pussy we call them "женчо" which literally translates to femboy
femininity and strength aren't mutually exclusive, I love myself some muscle mommies
No bro
and water is wet, why don't you make a post about that too op?
Some labels are dumb, what can you do?
If I have to be gay to like buff women, I won't complain.
They are
Well everyone had muscles. So does that mean that everyone is masculine?
Hit the mother load of gym rats
You said what you said. But what you said is silly.
Honestly, I've never seen a girl with muscles referred to as "masculine." In fact, the response I usually see when straight or bi men see a muscular woman is something along the lines of "step on my face, mommy" or "DEATH BY SNU-SNU". Also, I'm a skinny guy, and no one has ever called me effeminate, maybe because of the way I carry myself, maybe not, although I have been told that I am built like a twink.
What about those chicks with dicks in my porn stash?
*whips out dick* >:) its not gay im feminine
Nah, girls with muscles are considered hot as fuck
But what about ripped femboys?
This is not the correct meme format for this. Should have used half red and blue penguin.
I’m a boy Winthrop no visible muscle but I have a disability thought messes with my muscles
God we need more muscle mommies for our femboys boytoys.